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[Livelihood] Kiss your raise good-bye

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Cohete Rojo, May 28, 2018.

  1. Cohete Rojo

    Cohete Rojo Member

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    Immigration reform is greatly needed. Supply-demand is way out of balance - it’s a buyer’s market.

     
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    15,000? I didn't know mar-a-lago was that yuge.
     
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  4. Amiga

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    Rojo is so anti-immigration, reading becomes optional.

    The (very limited but does give some insight into CEO thinking) article gives reason for
    1- the big gift of tax cuts to corp isn't going to move down... we knew this
    2- workers need to gain new skills... those old jobs are going away
    3- raises are for those that with new skills, not those that will be replaced with automation as that part of the workforce will go through a reduction

    From the article:

    Now, executives of big U.S. companies suggest that the days of most people getting a pay raise are over, and that they also plan to reduce their work forces further.

    The message is that Americans should stop waiting for across-the-board pay hikes coinciding with higher corporate profit; to cash in, workers will need to shift to higher-skilled jobs that command more income.

    Troy Taylor, CEO of the Coke franchise for Florida, said he is currently adding employees with the idea of later reducing the staff over time "as we invest in automation."

    Call center workers are targeted for automation


    • John Stephens, chief financial officer at AT&T, said 20% of the company's employees are call-center workers. He said he doesn't need that many. In addition, he added, "I don't need that many guys to install coaxial cables."

    Because of the changes coming, AT&T is pushing employees to take nano-degree programs to prepare them for other jobs — either at AT&T or elsewhere.
     
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  5. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    The tax cuts should have fixed this. I'm shocked.

    o_O
     
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  6. Buck Turgidson

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    Just another Cojete thread.

    Is he shipping them to Scotland?
     
  7. Cohete Rojo

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    You are buying right into these CEO’s propaganda. They must love you.
     
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    Average H1B job is $80k, those are not the jobs going away and I bet you most of those people get raises (demand for skilled workers or heck just somebody with critical thinking skills is still high and competitive).
     
  9. krnxsnoopy

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    I thought tax cuts create jobs; if companies have more cash they will hire more people and give raises. Its not DEMAND for their product that makes them hire more people, of course not.

    What are all these companies rolling in dough the Republicans have them spending their money on?
     
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    What he posted was actually from the link in your OP. Your anti-immigration stuff isn't really from the link in your OP.
     
  11. Cohete Rojo

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    You, too. Hook, line, and sinker
     
  12. Cohete Rojo

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    Those are “creative class” jobs. There is a whol alphabet soup of visas out there (ie @Northside Storm came in on a TN-1 visa).

    I just don’t buy the whole “automation” schtick.
     
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    So reading the link you provided = falling for something hook, line, and sinker... LOL
     
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    Well, automation is coming. It just need to reach a tipping point where the customer experience and cost of adoption has the right 10 year ROI. The tech is getting better and cheaper every year.

    See below, now for some companies to set up the infrastructure vs labor cost savings might not make economical sense right now, but at some point it will. Now I will say those human workers will be working in those warehouses (those that monitor, manage, escalate and adjust) will need to be more skilled, harder to replace and hopefully better compensated, but there will be less workers.

     
  15. Nook

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    No worries OP Trump has given corporations huge tax cuts, I am those savings will be passed along to the employees. Besides once Trump gets rid of all the Mexicans there will be lots more openings so we can all get a second job landscaping or working in a restaurant.
     
  16. Buck Turgidson

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    I tell you buddy, the line of teen to 20-somethings who would love to work in kitchens or on roofs or pouring concrete or picking produce is miles long, it's just the pay that keeps them from doing it. Never mind the productivity gap.
     
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    Lol, you think wages are going down because of immigrants. God help you.
     
  18. Cohete Rojo

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    How is Kashmere Gardens? Getting along with the neighbors well?
     
  19. Cohete Rojo

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    Those tax-cuts won't create jobs with near the impact that some claimed. Trickle-down is at best a near-term, low-impact factor; whether applied to tax-cuts or immigration.

    And if supply and demand theory no longer explains price movement, then please let me know what does, @Nook.
     
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    Lolololololol
     
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