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We need to change the offense

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by HardenMvp, May 15, 2018.

  1. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Member

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    They had the most open looks in this game than any other game this entire playoff run.

    They lead the league in passes per possession.

    Stop it .

    This message board and their creepoy obessions with iso ball when it obviusly doesn't work against elite defenses is insane.

    It's never going to beat the Warriors.
     
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  2. fchowd0311

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    This I definitely agree with. There is no hope in changing the entire system in a couple of days. It's going to take an entire off-season and some roster changes. We need to add players like Reddick.
     
  3. Shaq2Yao

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    Our offense need more movement to get easier shots. D'Antoni is great at doing that. I expect to see a different offense in Game 2.
     
  4. JayZ750

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    Well... I'm not sure really.

    To change in total. Sure.

    But I don't think that's what they need.

    Rather I think just need simple strategic counters. Like ONE off ball screen. The reality is the offense isn't as much about ISO as it is about mismatches. You just don't get good mismatches against GSW because they are solid defenders all around. It's the exact same reason why Boston is so so sound defensively and keeps getting deep into the playoffs despite so-so talent.

    As I've said many times, I'm not a coach. But DG is so key to their defense. And Capela is so key to our offense. Shouldn't MDA have been able to scheme up some things that were just minor tweaks YET accomplished these two things: (1) allow for a Harden-Capela PnR action to keep working, and (2) get DG switched onto CP3 or Harden off ball?? #2 would seem to work to me because you are simultaneously (a) getting DG out of the play while (b) ensuring he doesn't sag too much of the guy he ends up switched on. You want to keep DG both off the ball handler AND out of the paint. If he switches onto Harden or CP3 (or Gordon) while they are off ball, and sags off of them, then should be easy money hitting those guys as their now open.

    You have a whole team of people and analytics and coaches and players OBSESSED with the Warriors. They have 2 years with their squad with KD of game tape to look at. It's obviously ultimately about talent, but your telling me you couldn't have schemed up some stuff?

    Here's an example. Clint/CP3 run an offball screen on the opposite wing. Dray switches onto CP3. Klay switches on Capela. Then run a Harden/Ariza PnR. Now Klay is the first guy coming off Capela, Dray maybe sags in too much. Or, how about something real crazy, lol! After the first Capela/CP3 screen, have Capela then quickly set a screen for Ariza. If all goes well, Steph has now switched onto Capela, Dray is still guarding CP3 and Klay is on Ariza. Then have Capela set a pick for Harden.

    I know its easier to implement and perfect on paper. The Warriors do a great job of fighting through screens to not switch when they don't want to, etc. But you'd think they'd be able to add a wrinkle here or there.

    They took the opposite approach which was somewhat who cares about DG, let's just focus on Steph and go at him as much as possible. Which I get... but again, you couldn't have scheme'd some other stuff up in that time?

    Nevermind that on top of all of that... they had an offseason... it was last offseason.
     
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    Just ball movement, keep the ball moving and more pick and roll please, even though the warriors defended it well but you cant abandon what you are best at.
     
  6. Rocket River

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    D*MMIT!! I realize what has been missing . . ATTACK THE F*CKING BASKET
    ANYONE besides Harden . . .. . . PLEASE!!

    While I use to CRINGE whenever I saw it . .. I think it is necessary
    When the Rockets are chased off the 3 . .. . .THEY USE TO ATTACK THE BASKET!!!!!
    Ariza and Ego with their Wild dribbles would lumber into the lane for awkward layups
    Hell even Anderson would move in and attack in his fashion

    NO ONE DOES THAT ANYMORE it seems . .. .
    If chased off. . . they jab step a bit and reset for another look at a three . . . . .. .

    I want to see Green ATTACK the Basket ONCE this playoffs

    and no layups. . . ATTEMPT TO RAM IT DOWN THEIR F***ING THOATS
    BLOCK, DUNK or FOUL. . . .. BRING THE HEAT . . . BRING THE HAMMER!!!

    Rocket River
     
  7. daywalker02

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    Capela is Capela and not Amar'e Stoudamire. Amare' would just score.
     
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    Ok?? So you're saying MDA doesn't have it in him to scheme up some stuff?
     
  9. daywalker02

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    Never said anything about MDA. I agree with you on some of it.

    I am thinking Steve Kerr is the flexible one, but I might be wrong. He is a conniving fox. I think he experiments way more with an established ship team.

    I think he has at least couple of things he will change, talking about aces up his sleeve, and he has the advantage of having the overall better and younger talent.

    That said, Game 2 will be contested, could go to Overtime, I am not jinxing or reverse jinxing yet.

    The odds of a minor blowout is also in play.......this time it will be in Rox favor.
     
  10. mrm32

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    This is what you can't do if you're the Rockets. Trying to outrun Golden State you will surely a) lose, b) commit more turnovers, and c) wear out faster.
     
  11. JayZ750

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    I just didn't understand your comment. So Clint isn't Amare offensively. Definitely agree. So it should have been on MDA to recognize that going into the series. As typically happens with MDA, when he goes up against a great coach, team and defensive system, he just continues to rely so much on the underlying system, trying to find a mismatch and hoping his players exploit it.

    In this case, the Warriors I believe are perfectly a-ok with the Rockets just targeting Curry over and over.
     
  12. daywalker02

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    BTW, I dun understand it either that a 23 yr old Capela is only playing roughly 30 minutes? What's up with that if he is so integral as you all say?
     
  13. juanm34

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    The iso offense seems to work.
    Harden just needs to act sooner when driving to the basket.
    He can’t be waisting 22sec dancing and then tossing it out for a bad 3.
    We also can’t be missing those easy shots.
     
  14. cdxiong

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    We need to play better defense.
     
  15. JayZ750

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    1) He is schemed out of the lineup against GSW. Just as they do with most great bigs from other teams. Their small ball, death and Hampton's 5 lineups. He played 18 minutes, 27 minutes and 30 minutes in the 3 regular season games against GSW.

    2) He still doesn't get huge minutes normally anyway. I think it is just harder for some bigs to have huge minutes conditioning wise but perhaps even harder for Capela who classically plays at like 200% energy in his minutes. Consider how much rim-running, switching, offensive PnR action he gets.

    Still, against the Warriors its mostly point #1.
     
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  16. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    It all comes down to this.

    If Mike doesn't have some adjustments and adjustment in game ready he should be considered out of a job. I don't know who we'd hire but it will be clear that Pringles is too old to learn how to make adjustments.
     
  17. Reeko

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    So basically add AD? How many bigs are capable of this, and how obtainable are they?
     
  18. Reeko

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    Sure they go hand in hand, no one will dispute that.

    The Raptors got swept by Cleveland, that’s quite the difference from facing GS. It’s nearly impossible to topple a healthy Warriors team after they added KD, it doesn’t matter if you’re passing the ball 5 times every possession and having a ton of off ball movement, in the end, the result is probably still an L.

    The offense wasn’t terrible last night, I agree. A little bit too much ISO? Ok, sure, but Moute was getting point blank layups at the rim and missed them all. Ego was playing out of control. Capela got a couple lobs and scored 12 points on 7 shots which is par for the course for him.

    I just don’t know why the focus is so heavily on what we did offensively after game 1. U can’t say that our ISO offense caused Klay to get that many wide open looks or KD to go gawd mode.
     
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    Well DeMarcus is a free agent. And so is Capela. So there's one possible deal.
     
  20. Reeko

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    Boogie coming off a torn Achilles? U think he’s gonna he the same player after that?
     

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