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Trump pays hush money for secret children?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Apr 12, 2018.

  1. justtxyank

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    There isn’t a question of whether the stuff with his properties has actually happened. The only reason it might get thrown out of court is standing.

    I don’t care if he never gets convicted, we know he has been enriched by the presidency.
     
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  2. CometsWin

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    You know that because of all the evidence you've seen that says so which is nothing since he won't release his tax returns after saying he would but that's beside the point that nobody has claimed he has any problems with the IRS. Your tax return isn't merely about the IRS, it's about where you do business and with whom. That's kind of a big deal when you can influence American policy in favor of people that you may have business with. That's called corruption, look it up.
     
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  4. Aceshigh7

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    Typical leftist hypocrites. Y'all throw allegations Trump's way but I hear very little of Clinton's illegitimate son.

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  5. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I know no one has claimed he has had problems with the irs. Because he hasn't had problems with the IRS then his returns have been approved.
     
  7. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    One of the most ridiculous criticisms of Trump is he ran for President to enrich his business.

    It's not easy to run for president. He financed his campaign. Etc etc etc of stupidity
     
  8. CometsWin

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    It's like you're arguing yourself into a knot. If no one claimed he has had problems with the IRS, why'd you bring it up?
     
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  9. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    For the billionth time, including the post you responded to, I brought it up to say there is nothing learn from his returns in terms of corruption.

    The IRS does that
     
  10. NewRoxFan

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    You really don't know what you are typing... if trump's excuse for not releasing his tax returns is because he is under audit, then by that very admission the IRS is having problems with trump's tax returns. The fact that, according to trump, his tax returns have been under audit for many years suggests that the IRS has major issues with trump's returns.

    And again, there is no legal reason why trump cannot release his tax returns even if he is under audit. In fact, the first president (Nixon) to release his tax returns was under audit.

    Looking at Al Capone, the IRS didn't pursue Capone... the FBI started investigating Capone's business activities and began working with the Treasury Department and the IRS to go after Capone on tax evasion. But the IRS would not have been able to on its own.

    Fast forward to trump... here, the Special Counsel is investigating trump's finances... hopefully working with the FBI, the Treasury Department and the IRS.
     
  11. justtxyank

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    I’m struggling to figure out if you are a troll or a child.

    Either way you don’t have basic facts and you can’t keep on topic.

    It’s no surprise you like trump really, you both have the same issues listed above.
     
  12. pgabriel

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    The first President to show his returns is Ford. So you also are talking out of your ass

    Ford is after Nixon

    Leading to next point. It was just a campaign ploy. There is NO LEGAL obligation to release them
     
  13. pgabriel

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    Says the person who couldn't respond just insulted calls me a child

    Whatever ******* I didn't insult you. I answered your post.

    It is ridiculous to think he spent hundreds of millions in campaign financing to have foreign diplomats pay to play golf

    You think some golf outings and hotel stays by foreigners are worth hundreds of millions?

    That's basically what you're saying
     
  14. NewRoxFan

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    Back to the profanity I see...

    Presidential tax returns: It started with Nixon. Will it end with Trump?
    http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/23/news/economy/donald-trump-tax-returns/index.html

    Here's Nixon's 1972 return if you would like to see it: http://www.taxhistory.org/thp/presr...535E3E8525741F0051D570/$file/R_Nixon_1972.pdf

    You did go to school, and they did teach American History, didn't they? They do this thing called "teaching" there. And students do this thing called "reading" there. You could try that some day...

    btw, Ford actually did not release his return, he released a summary of his return, so you are wrong even saying Ford.
     
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    You respond with nonsense like saying trump spent hundreds of millions of his own money to win the presidency.

    He didn’t. He didn’t completely self finance his campaign. He spent less than 100 million and got donations from all kinds of sources.

    I didn’t say he ran for president to enrich himself, I said he is enriching himself while he is president.

    The reason I’m struggling with this “argument” is because you don’t have basic facts and you invent things other people have said and then argue against your own inventions.
     
  16. pgabriel

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    So it's just a campaign tradition. Trump is the first President from the private sector. I have no problem with him not releasing his returns because his income is private to him and that's his right as a citizen.

    I was wrong about foRd and nixon, I hadn't looked that up in a few months but the overall point remains

    It's a stupid issue out of a tradition that started as a campaign ploy

    If you want to call some hotel stays enriching yourself I guess. Secondly there is nothing in any article that says Trump asked people to stay. One article says one property is just now popular to hang out at.


    So Trump is telling where people to hang in D.C?

    His property has become popular because he is President
    It's only a natural reaction. He is not telling people to stay there or definitely not hang out.
     
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  17. NewRoxFan

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    https://slate.com/news-and-politics...fits-but-refuses-to-say-how-much-that-is.html

    Again, this is why seeing his tax returns is important.
     
  18. pgabriel

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    Trump didn't ask them to stay there. Yes they are kissing his ass by staying on his property.
    Second it's not a legal obligation for his business to donate the money.

    So no it's really not that important

    Edit: the emoluments would not be in his tax returns from before being President obviously so it's neither here nor there
     
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  19. pgabriel

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    On the campaign financing I was wrong to say hundreds of millions.

    I was basing that on how much campaigns cost nowadays but I forgot, the Media can't give Trump credit for not spending a lot of money and yet using Twitter like it should be used instead of making fun of his Twitter usage
     
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  20. NewRoxFan

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    You are wrong constantly. It didn't start as a campaign ploy. It started because Nixon was a crook, and actually had an earlier campaign challenge backfire on him:

    And candidates are required to provide some degree of their finances by law:
    trump did release this in an extensive 92 page form. But the form does not provide info on his taxes paid, which loopholes he used, nor the details on income that a tax return provides.

    Your excuse was that he was first president from the private sector so he should not be expected to release his tax returns is weak at best. First, the day he ran for president he was no longer just a private citizen (ie, our tax dollars started paying for his campaign). And the day he was elected the amount of our tax dollars that go to him increased dramatically. Furthermore, the impact of what he says and does impacts our tax dollars even more.

    And that "tradition" has often included the spouses of the candidates releasing their tax returns (ie. Cindy McCain) or at least separate financial statements (eg Theresa Heinz Kerry). So their income (sources and amounts) were important enough to understand... but trump's are not?

    But why do we even care? First, we want to make sure they are not crooks like Nixon was (and it appears, trump). Are they illegally avoiding paying their taxes.

    Second, we need to know whether their are conflicts of interest. And whether these conflicts can effect the actions of the president. There are laws against emoluments that were clearly placed in the Constitution so this is important.

    Some people care about whether the president donates money to charities, and whether they are "like us" as citizens, paying our taxes and doing the right thing. But these reasons seem less important than whether the president is a crook.
     

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