"feeding off guards" is what big men do. they don't bring the ball up, they don't run the offense. in a way, you're saying no big man is worth the max
are you brand new? teams have been willing to overpay players forever. Jim McIlvaine, Kelvin Cato, Erick Dampier, Ryan Anderson, I could go on forever
The amount of bad cap understanding in this thread is pretty horrid. There are a lot of unfeasible stuff suggested as well as unnecessary panic to this news. But in the end really this is clear case of Capela’s agent trying to drum up attention and Suns want to show how much they “want to win.” We need to wait til after the season to see how every teams cap situation shakes out before truly being able to gauge Capelas actual market in the offseason.
I've heard some talk about how the Max slightly undervalues great players, but after the new hike in the upper limit of a Max Contract, I think the math states otherwise. Harden this year if he played all 82 games, would be worth 18 wins, a staggering amount, but he only played 72 so he produced around 15.5. If he played all 82, he would have produced about 27.5% of our wins, and would be worth 29.90 million dollars per year. Lets assume he produces 15 wins next year and we win 60 games. Mathematically, he would be responsible for a quarter of our wins and should be paid a quarter of the available salary of 108 million, or 27 million dollars. Harden next year will be paid 30 million per year, and the next year 32 million per at age 30. By that point, unless he defies biology and keeps improving somehow, he will be overpaid, but only slightly. However, overpaid and underpaid are relative terms. A 60 win team will be hard pressed to find any player worth his contributions to winning on a max contract, while a 20 win team would be underpaying everyone relative to their proportional contributions to winning. The best way to evaluate a contract should be cost per win share, similar to cost per WAR in baseball. Harden is getting paid 1.8 million dollars per regular season win. The Cavs are paying LeBron 2.2 million per win. What breaks the league are rookie scale contracts, which punish young players for existing so that the older players whom run the player's union can get more money later on. Karl Anthony Towns is getting paid a mere 421 thousand dollars per win, and its even worse for players who overpreform their draft slot; Clint Capela is only getting paid 129 thousand dollars for every win he provides!
A follow up to the prior post, The average NBA salary is around 6.2 million dollars per year, albeit the average is lowered by 4 players who don't play most nights out of a 15 man roster. So what I will do is remove 4 players from each roster, and subtract about 10 million in salary to pay guys who don't play. That brings the average rotation player salary to about 9.8 million dollars. Since the average NBA team wins 41 games, and a typical regular season rotation is either 10 or 11 players, we can assume the average rotation player is worth 3.96 wins over a season. 9.8 divided by 9.36 is about 2.47 million dollars per win share. So what teams should use as an average is a player that is worth one win for every 2.5 million dollars he is paid. Some examples of average-ish contracts: Steven Adams: 22 mil per, 9.7 wins. 2.26 million per win. DeAndre Jordan: 22 mil per, 9.4 wins. 2.34 million per win. Tobias Harris: 16 mil per, 6.7 wins. 2.38 million per win. Kevin Durant: 25 mil per, 10.4 wins. 2.40 million per win. Russell Westbrook: 28 mil per, 10.1 wins. 2.80 million per win. Here are some low-key bad contracts: Dwyane Wade: 15.5 mil per, 1.1 wins. 14 million per win. Carmelo Anthony: 26 mil per, 3.7 wins. 7.02 million per win. Blake Griffin: 29 mil per, 5.0 wins. 5.8 million per win. Andre Iguodala: 14.8 mil per, 3.2 wins. 4.65 million per win. In Comparison: Ryan Anderson: 19 mil per, 4.8 wins. 3.958 million per win.
the thing i took away from this is there is a chance to convince another GM that ryan anderson is underpaid!
Do we have CP3 bird rights? If we do, how does it work with signing two players with bird rights? Bird rights mean we can match or sign that player for any amount regardless of salary cap (up to hard cap), right? If that's right, then does the order in which we sign CP and CC matter in terms of free agency? Basically im wondering if we can sign a max player, if we even have that amt available without trading Anderson or someone, can we theoretically then sign CP and match CC with max contracts?
A team is only "hard capped" if they sign a free agent from another team. If we don't sign a free agent, then we can spend as much money as we want to. There's literally zero limit to how much you can spend to resign your own players (which is why Golden St. can keep their guys for as long as they are willing to pay). So keeping CP3 and Capela is no problem aside from luxury tax. We do have Paul's bird rights because we traded for him. If the Rockets feel they need to use the MLE, or in the unlikely scenario we want to try and clear enough cap space to add another max player in free agency, then the hard cap and cap holds come into play. In which case, the order in which we resign Capela and CP3 would most certainly matter.
No way in hell Tillman pays luxury for a CP3 supermax, Harden supermax, and a Capela max. I could be wrong, but I think he folds.
@Codman @cyberx What are you hearing, is there really max level interest in Capela? Are the Rockets 100% going to match if he gets the max?
I am torn on this matter. If Capela gets a Max offer, should we match it? I don't think we should pay him or CP3 the Max to be honest. I don't think Capela will be as good if he goes to Phoenix. Playing with Harden/CP3 has benefited him and he is a solid player that fits our team perfectly. If we can resign him with a reasonable contract (max 18-20 million per year), then yes in my opinon.
Capela is worth the max on a team with Harden and CP3. PHX with their scrub playmakers won't realize the max value of Capela.
Did sporran also mention his bird rights?; because we have them. https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/6...on-rockets-trade-no-cap-space-nba-free-agency
