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Iran Nuke Program

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Realjad, Apr 8, 2017.

  1. justtxyank

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    It's so weird that the whole world wants Iran to get a nuke except for one chunk of one party in the United States and Israel. What's wrong with the world?

    Also, why can't Trump find a Secretary of Defense and a Secretary of State that aren't stupid? He managed to pick stupid liberals for the job who think the Iran deal has been working and they are complying. Where did he find them, Paris?
     
  2. Anticope

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    Just like how everyone in the world has fallen for the climate change hoax except for Republicans in the US, they are truly wise and we're lucky to have them!
     
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  3. Bobbythegreat

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    If you want Iran to get a nuke, there's not many better ways to ensure that than to flood their country with funds while letting them continue working on their ballistic missile program and nuclear programs on their military bases.....
     
  4. justtxyank

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    Right, like I said, the whole world except for a big chunk of Republicans and Israelis want Iran to have nukes.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    I don't think you should assume malice when incompetence is the much more likely culprit. It's not that they "want" Iran to have a nuke, it's that they have fooled themselves into believing that their terribly naive deal would accomplish the goal of denuclearization when all it would really do is help Iran better fund their nuclear program. It's kind of like how Neville Chamberlain didn't want war when he was pushing his foreign policy during the mid 30's....he was just naive and incompetent.
     
  6. Cohete Rojo

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    It's a 15 year deal. How does it "prevent" Iran from building nuclear weapons?
     
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    Even more than that, if you aren't going to have access to their military sites, how would anyone know if they were building nuclear weapons there or not?

    I honestly don't understand how some try and defend this deal that did essentially nothing but flood Iran with cash.
     
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    "Moderates" in Iran react to end of deal. They seem upset...

     
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    This thought is independent of the Iran situation, however if a country wants to get nuclear weapons, its inevitable. The best way to deal with threats against countries trying to obtain weapons of mass destruction is to give them more to lose than their country.
     
  12. Amiga

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    What trump would do if it was a treaty is guess work and irrelevant. The idea that if it's a treaty, Trump cannot withdrawn is false (that was the initial premise).

    IAEA have said they treat civilian and military sites the same and they have access to them. As for what Iran publicly state, it doesn't matter. What matter is they meet the requirement of the deal and they have. The idea that IAEA cannot inspect military site is false.

    Making up your own fact, again and again... jeez
     
  13. Amiga

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    how does no deal "prevent" Iran from building a nuclear weapon? it doesn't

    it's not only 15 years.. but assume it's a hard cut off at 15 years, that doesn't exclude another deal afterward

    but it might now given US action
     
  14. Amiga

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    "death to us" is a popular thing in Iran, deal or no deal

    if the point is that we can't trust them.... well then, correct, we can't. Thus we need to keep an eye on them. That's why we had the deal.
     
  15. Amiga

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    so you are restating you don't have access to their military site

    You are now lying
     
  16. Amiga

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    I don't think it's inevitable given that a country that wants nuclear weapon today can't be assumed to have that static position forever. We have seen nations wanting it and then not wanting it anymore.

    On the other point. Right. Military is an option if it's necessary. That's why inspection is important. You don't want to take military actions based on limited intel, bad intel or worse, fake intel (see recent Iraq war - at min that was bad intel). Inspection give you better data that you can use to justify military action with support from other nations and from within the US public.
     
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    I never said that he "cannot" withdraw from it if it was a treaty that had congressional support, I said that he likely wouldn't have, because in order to have congressional approval it would have had to be a better deal.

    IAEA said that they have access to everything, but Iran says that they don't have access to their military sites and that they would never have access to those military sites. The IAEA basically just agreed to not ask to go anywhere Iran doesn't want them to go. Again, you can say that IAEA can inspect military sites, but as long as Iran says that they can't, and those sites continue to not be inspected, it would take a total idiot to believe that in reality IAEA has the ability to inspect them.

    I am spelling out for you exactly what Iran has said on the issue, that those sites are off limits and would never be allowed to be inspected. Prove me wrong by linking to a time where they've been inspected....you know you can't.
     
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    Europe will chase the last Iranian$ before flipping.
    Putin gave his blessings to wipe Iranian in Syria, once again Trump deliver
     
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