Joy Reid created homophobic blog posts in the past, blames Russian hackers

all you do is get emotional. your love of obama and trump is not based on their policies, but it is based on emotion. look at how you are conducting yourself in this thread. its all emotion and irrational hysteria. you keep contradicting yourself. you say you dont care about trumps policies or the fact that he lied...but you are getting emotional and upset when people call trump out for lying. you are the one who brought up david duke. you are the one who went off on some weird tangent talking about trump raping people. its all emotion for you.

you made a claim and all i did was ask for proof. that does not make me emotional. that means im interested in learning the facts. its the opposite of being emotional.

i dont know...you are the one who made the claim. if its true it should not be this hard to back it up.

im not wasting my time watching some "stupid ass" (your term, not mine) video. why dont you tell me what was said in there. or quote something out of it. or at least tell me a section to watch. anything you can provide that would back up your claim that joy reid and msnbc said duke and trump were "associated" would be good.

again, you were the one who brought up duke in this thread. and as has already been explained to you multiple times, the media was talking about david duke b/c trump initially refused to denounce duke and lied about not knowing who he was. and again, at first you said trump didnt know duke...then you said everyone knows duke...then you acknowledged that trump lied, but you dont care...

but you do care about people who call him out for lying. its so bizzare that you get more upset with people who call others out for lying than you do for the liars themselves. says a lot about what kind of person you are.

yes, youre beating me over the head with a link that does not even work! sad.

but just looking at the headline, i dont see it backing up your claim. rather, its in line with what everyone else has been telling you. trump is being criticized for not denouncing david duke and neo-nazis (very fine people).

again, you are all emotional and irrational right now. i suggest you step away for a bit and reevaluate the way you have been conducting yourself.

 

really? this is the whole source of your claim that msnbc said trump and duke were "associated"?

where does she say trump and duke were associated? she is criticizing him for not denouncing duke and neo-nazis...something that should be a no-brainer for anyone.

is this really what you have been arguing over for the last 8 pages? this is all you got?

 

No, it's what's available. Trump shouldn't have to denounce anyone he has never met. Especially an inconsequential has been

Bro I understand I brought up Trump in this to explain why I stopped watching MSNBC. Then you keep responding.

I liked Obama for a lot of reasons. I defend Trump on stupid made up media issues like this David Duke thing

And go back and read your posts. You never said your issue wasn't he didn't denounce, you said it was lying about not knowing him

So before you talk **** about who wrote what, check first

And again the reason you know he knows Duke is because he denounced him in the past

 

you are the one who needs to go back and read my posts. i have brought up his failure to denounce and well as the lying multiple times. ive specifically used the word "disavow" multiple times in this thread.

youre just trying to deflect from the fact that your arguments have no merit.

 

I'm not trying toy deflect anything. Did he not disavow Duke in the past?

I don't have access to all of the commentary. That doesn't make me wrong

 

What makes you wrong was your idea that Joy Reid and MSNBC put forward a narrative that the two were some kind of partners or in cahoots, or business deals etc.

It seemed like that's what you were saying. It's why you were asked to clarify what you meant when you said "association".

 

Like they know and agree with each other on David Duke topics

On lying, Trump has tried to keep his major campaign promises.

*I don't support these policies personally*

He tried to build a wall, he has gotten out of the Iran treaty, he tried to end the healthcare act, etc

I care about most of those issues and at least I know where on things that matter in my life.

 

Nothing you said addresses the point I made about your claim on Joy Reid discussing Trump and Duke's association.

You keep shifting topics. I've listed areas where Trump and Duke would agree with each other and where Trump came out with statements supporting Duke's position.

You are free to care about any issues you choose. I haven't denied that or challenged that in any way. What does that crap have to do with the topic? You keep drifting all over the place here.

 

You asked me what i meant by associated. I wrote as if they knew each other and Trump supports him as a racist.

Is the birther topic what you are using to link. A bunch of idiots are birthers. That doesn't mean Trump supports Duke. Is Duke the original birther?

I'm not asking MSNBC for all of Reid's commentaries on the topic to win an argument with you. That's what was available

 

The entire list that I previously gave you of areas where Duke and Trump are on the same page was what I used to link. I don't remember if the birther topic was on there, but if it wasn't then it should have been.

Nowhere did MSNBC or Joy Reid insuate that Trump and Duke actually knew each other personally that I have seen.

 

So because Duke likes Trump's comments on there being good and bad people on both sides of that fight.

You wrote that Trump said that there were good neo Nazis. Trump didn't
say that. We don't know how that stuff escalated.

Again Trump shouldn't have to denounce an irrelevant has been from the nineties he has never met

 

Yes Trump did say that there were good people marching with the neo-Nazis. It doesn't matter how the incident escalated but there is footage of one of the neo-nazis firing a pistol at the protesters. It also doesn't matter how it escalated because only one side was out there promoting white supremacy and neo-Nazi values. That automatically means the two sides aren't equal.

That wasn't the only issue I listed but it is a huge one. I also mentioned Trump's discriminatory housing practices and explained why your previous defense of that was BS.

And you shouldn't have to pretend like David Duke doesn't still have a following. Of course, any leader who has earned the support of David Duke should have to denounce him.

 

The people who filed for a permanent to protest were the protest the status were the right wingers.

Nobody should be talking about Duke. He is irrelevant and Trump has nothing to do with him.

 

You can feel that way if you want. If Duke was just another white supremacist then you'd be right.

 

Duke is irrelevant. Before the campaign when was he last in the news?

On the discrimination suit, the federal government sent people in to try to find discrimination in some places like Trump's property in an attempt to integrate northern cities.

Trump settled without having to admit guilt

 

Excellent. That is a positive move the government to investigate discrimination claims. And you are right that Trump who claimed he never settles lawsuits did settle this one. He didn't settle because he had done nothing wrong.

I've actually done work on these types of discrimination cases and there would not have been the lawsuits if they didn't have proof. I mentioned the kind of proof they get. Trump could not win the cases so he and his daddy settled.

If the feather in your cap is that Trump settled so didn't have to admit guilt, then that's nothing about which to crow.

 

When this lawsuit happened the rental policies were still set by his father.

The government sued the company on evidence it claimed from sending testers in the properties.

It was part of a larger government effort to integrate northern cities. Instead of relying on your experience, there is plenty information on the topic

 

My experience is almost exactly identical to the information on the topic including that which you provided.

The government didn't send out testers until there were already complaints. The testers are given identical income, credit history, employment stability etc. All they do is ask to see properties and pretend to be interested in those properties. The company either shows them different properties than those of the minorities or properties where they told the minorities that there were none.

It's pretty simple. If there is a pattern of showing different properties or excluding showings to only minorities then that's pretty damning evidence.

Make all the excuses you want for Trump. What you think doesn't matter. What does matter regarding this thread, is that Duke and Trump both favored this type of policy. Thus it is an issue based on discrimination where the two have common ground.

 

Trump had just taken over running the property in 1973. So even if you want to ignore that the federal government itself says it was part of a larger strategy to integrate northern cities, it was still his father running the place when the discrimination allegedly happened

 

I'm not ignoring anything. The strategy to integrate northern cities is exactly what happened. They started going after folks like Trump and his daddy who were discriminating.

Why are you trying to make it sound like it was something different?