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Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

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  1. NewRoxFan

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    Will the answers need to be in pen, or will pencil and crayons be allowed?
     
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  2. tallanvor

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    Didn't say that. I said every American has the right to craft answers with a lawyer (written or in person). Your beef was that trump gets to craft answers with 'mommy and daddy'. Thats every American.
     
  3. justtxyank

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    Great. So police/prosecutors aren't allowed to question any suspects/targets/etc. until a court appointed lawyer is assigned and they have had time to properly assess the questions that will be asked. We could set a reasonable timeline here. Let's be fair to trump and say lawyers deserve 2 billable hours per question submitted by investigators.

    The charges get billed to the state and they get to take however long is necessary to meet the hours required. No one on one interviews ever going forward with any suspects.



    I mean really, think about the stupid crap we are talking about right now to spin for Trump.
     
  4. JuanValdez

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    You can prepare with your lawyer in advance of an interview. You can have a lawyer sit with you as you're interviewed, and you can confer with your lawyer before you answer each question. But, you answer the questions yourself. And you don't get to see the questions in advance of the interview. So, two things Trump is asking for that is not the right of every American is to see the questions in advance, and to not have to answer yourself in real time. Why can't Trump be satisfied with the same right all Americans have? Prep for the interview. Have his lawyers in the room. Confer with his lawyers after every question before giving an answer. He can have his lawyer write his answer and then he can read it into the record.
     
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    Every American does not have the right to be limited to written answers. You're wrong about this.

    That's my beef. You think there is some injustice occurring because Robert Mueller doesn't submit a written list of questions to Trump's attorneys to complete on his behalf.
     
  6. tallanvor

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    if an investigator asks me a question I get to sit with my lawyer and talk through my answer with him before I answer. We get to craft our answer together before answering. We get to take our time. Every American gets this right.
     
  7. justtxyank

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    We all know the real problem here is that Trump lives in a fictional universe of lies that his lawyers know can't be maintained under scrutiny.

    They want written testimony because they can see all the questions and then create a story without "holes" in it that meets the questions. Without the exact questions there's no way to accomplish this because his lawyers can't prep him because they won't know the truth either.
     
  8. JuanValdez

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    Great. Trump should do that.
     
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    Sure, in person and without knowledge of what the next question will be. Mueller will give Trump that right. he gets to have his lawyer present.
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    The president has never before been successfully subpoenaed to testify before and it's unlikely that a subpoena of the president would hold up in court.....and even if it did, the president could just use the 5th in order to say nothing at all. Mueller isn't going to be handed a case via perjury trap, he's gotta actually come up with something on his own.
     
  11. Nook

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    Again, no they don't.

    You don't get a "timeout" where you are being deposed to craft your answer with your attorney.

    I have deposed thousands of people at in multiple states and at the federal level.

    I am sorry, but you don't know what you are talking about.
     
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  12. tallanvor

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    No he shouldn't. Trump is not a patient man. He should take his time and be patient. He might say 'march 3rd' and find out later its march 4th' or some ****. this is what mueller wants.

    this is getting 'mommy an daddy' help to do his homework . This is exactly what you complained about.
     
  13. B-Bob

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    Having been deposed, I concur completely.

    These people just want special rules for their president/autocrat, period. They should just say that.
     
  14. NewRoxFan

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    Heck, Mueller already provided trump (and his attorneys, or though his attorneys) a list of questions. And sure, trump's attorneys would be sitting alongside and behind trump. I am pretty sure, based on trump's past, that trump's supporters are afraid that trump would go beyond the "prepared" answer and contradict the previously given crafted answers.
     
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    There seems to be some confusion about the differences between a deposition and an interview.
     
  16. Nook

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    A very similar issue was handled during the Nixon administration and the Supreme Court ruled against the President. It is not a clear cut issue and this "it likely wouldn't hold up in court" language is nonsense. It opinion and not supported by anything.

    Sure, if Trump wants to plead the 5th Amendment to avoid self incrimination he has the right to do that..... and the whole world will get to see AGAIN, what a lying unethical sack of **** he is.

    As for what Mueller does or doesn't have, neither you nor I have that information. There is zero chance that Mueller would leak that information because it would compromise his investigation.

    If Mueller issues a subpoena (and I think it isn't a certainty) then Trump and Mueller can take it to court and the Supreme Court can ultimately decide.

    The other option is Trump can fire Rosenstein and prove, yet again that he is a corrupt and unethical sack of ****.

    There are a lot of variables in play.
     
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    No, I've complained about your whining that he doesn't get to take the test home to mommy and daddy to complete for him.

    Of course he gets to have his attorneys present for an interview.
     
  18. JuanValdez

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    He wouldn't be the first impatient man to find himself across the table from the DOJ. Should we make special accommodations for impatient men? If you're saying he should plead the 5th, fine, plead the 5th. But he should sit at the table and say with his own mouth after every question: "On the advice of counsel I invoke my Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination, and decline to answer your question."

    And, no he is not going to be impeached for remembering a date wrong. Come on.
     
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    why?

    of course they would. Both McCabe and Comey testified that Flynn's investigators felt he did not lie. what happened to him? Mueller isn't even trying to investigate anything close to Trump/Russia collusion.

    The whole stupidity of all this is amazing. The authorities have nothing on you so you are gonna go voluntarily interview with them so they can hope to find something on you? Really? who is this stupid? I wouldn't give written answers but im sure Trump is trying to wrap this **** up and this is his compromise.
     
  20. Bobbythegreat

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    It really wasn't very similar, the Nixon case was about handing over evidence, this would be about compelling the president to testify. Completely separate issues and again, it's something that would likely fail in court.

    I think taking the 5th would play out differently than you think. We had a president straight up get caught perjuring himself and he still got re-elected because the investigation was viewed as a political witch hunt despite being significantly more valid than the current investigation. If Mueller can't come up with something that sticks, this will play very poorly for our friends on the left.
     

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