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Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, May 17, 2017.

  1. larsv8

    larsv8 Member

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    lol, you can't help yourself.

    Investigations can include investigating what other agencies have already found. Who found it, is irrelevant. What matters is it happened, and now it is being looked at from a different perspective, as too how those activities relate to campaign activities, if at all.

    You keep trying to argue the words directive and scope, which is a distraction from the core point.

    The bottom line here is there is no protections here for criminals due to authorizations to investigate and prosecute.

    The fact that you are willing to do mental gymnastics to argue in favor of criminals, perhaps even traitors, is astounding.
     
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  2. tallanvor

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    not according to your claimed May 15th directive statement and the judge. Your claimed the directive (nobody argues that the May 15th document is their directive) states that all crimes stemming from the investigation, which it didn't. Of course none of this has to do anything with the fact that your story of Mueller finding bank fraud was utter nonsense. He didn't.

     
  3. larsv8

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    Already addressed in #2518, which you ignored.
     
  4. tallanvor

    tallanvor Member

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    you really didn't. Your position that Mueller can investigate anything he may happen to stumble upon while in the process of investigating Trump/Russia collusion is the definition of a witch hunt. I don't understand why someone would act so smug when they clearly didn't listen to the court case at all.
     
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  5. ROXTXIA

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    Don't you feel like you're the windmill and you have various Don Quixotes coming at you, Sancho Panza in tow?

    Or maybe it's like arguing with drunks. You say, "Hey, friend, you're just not getting this", and they retort, "But I'm right! (hic)"
     
  6. larsv8

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    I've read the transcript, I understand it completely.

    Maybe the judge can help you get the point.

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    Then they say, no the August 2nd letter doesn't say that, thus its not legal.

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    So yea, still we fall back to the basic principle that DOJ, and thus Mueller, can investigate and prosecute whatever they want.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Techno Fog, Floyd Mayweather, and Kanye to tell me how to feel about this...
     
  8. tallanvor

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    you clearly didn't. You thought Manafort's bank fraud was found by Mueller (it wasn't). You also had no idea that Mueller's team whole position is that their directive goes beyond whats on the May 15th document.



    What you are posting here is the judge arguing that the case should not be handled by Mueller because this has nothing to do with RUssia/Trump and instead by the EDVA USAO office.

    you should be rooting against this position (like Mueller's team is). If true it would make it easy to end the entire special consul. IT would also make it easy to dismiss all of these indictments.
     
  9. larsv8

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    Incorrect. My position is that the DOJ (Mueller) can investigate and prosecute whatever they want, which is true.

    Nope, its the judge saying the same thing I have been saying.

    He says summarizes the defense's argument and then says so what? Who cares what the scope or directive is.

    the DOJ (Mueller) can investigate and prosecute whatever they want

    Yes, on a technicality, they could dismiss the indictments.

    And then guess what happens?

    They can have Rosenstein authorize explicitly these items, and immediately re-indict. You know why?

    Well because...

    the DOJ (Mueller) can investigate and prosecute whatever they want

    This isn't a complicated issue. Its the defense team trying to stall and throw hail mary's hoping it will stick.

    You really just can't seem to grasp this one underlying point:

    the DOJ (Mueller) can investigate and prosecute whatever they want
     
  10. mdrowe00

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    ...uhm...
    ...I gotta say again...I ain't no lawyer...here or anywhere else...

    ...but I've watched just about every episode of "Law and Order" ever televised (Original, Criminal Intent, SVU, you-name-it)...

    ...and there is this exact same type of argument had between defense/prosecution/judge about the-case-of-the-week literally every episode...

    The motion/case/charge is debated, clarified and eventually moved onward to the trial and the conviction...

    ...if I didn't know any better, I'd just say this was all just run-of-the-mill jurisprudence...but then I do know better, so...

    I mean really...where else but in a Donald Trump presidency could any of us hope to get a "...ripped from the headlines...", made-for-TV cluster of such epic proportion?...

    ...I say we skip the darn Nobel Peace prize and go straight to the Oscar nominations...
     
  11. tallanvor

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    No. its correct. here is you saying both incorrect things pal.

    You claiming Mueller found Manafort's bank fraud (false)
    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php...a-investigation.282919/page-126#post-11736563

    You claiming the May 15th document states the scope of Mueller's teams investigation (false)
    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php...a-investigation.282919/page-126#post-11736482


    yes. the judge who spent 30 minutes asking about their directive then warnedabout Mueller not having 'unfettered power' and finally demanded the August 2nd memo explaining the scope of their power must be all about Mueller being able to do whatever he wants. You obviously understood him :rolleyes:




    IF it comes out that Rosenstein gave Mueller power to investigate whatever he wants then Rosenstein would be fired and there would be few arguments anyone could make against it. That's absolutely a fire-able offense. It would prove its a witch hunt (which it of course is). Again Mueller's team is not making this argument. They know better than you what a ridiculous statement that is.
     
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  12. larsv8

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    I am guessing your sub conscious defensive mechanisms are preventing you from accepting that the DOJ has the authority to investigate and prosecute whatever it wants. I think we are done here.

    We can revisit this in a couple weeks when the judge rules on these silly hail mary motions. My prediction is that you will complain about process crimes and regurgitate whatever twitter outrage you can find in your echo chamber bookmarks.
     
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  13. dobro1229

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    Good lord.... Yes we've all seen what the judge said when he referred to "unfettered power" of the SC.

    But why aren't you posting what came RIGHT AFTER that statement when the SC responds that they agree, and they essentially say that they wouldn't be keeping the Manafort case in their purview if there was no reason to do so.

    There is ZERO evidence that Mueller has overstepped his purview in this case because the evidence is redacted in the indictment, and even if there is nothing in the evidence to support the connection, the argument that the Ukraine ties are relevant might still be enough to allow them to proceed. Even then, its still not a given that the judge might just refer the Manafort case to the SDNY like he did with Michael Cohen which isn't a win by any stretch for the Trump admin.

    ..............


    Tallv has essentially just posted and reposted the same F-ing tweets taken out of context over and over again expecting those couple of statements THAT EVERYONE AGREES WITH as a trump card to over rule any and every argument in regards to Mueller overstepping his purview.

    Just astounding the utter disrespect of our intelligence, but I guess some people here are dumb enough to fall for it.
     
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  14. tallanvor

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    A simple 'oops, my bad. I didn't realize those things ' would of sufficed you better.

    I have no idea what the judge will rule. I don't know him. I also love how you refer to linking to the transcript of the court case as 'twitter outrage' .
     
  15. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    I mean... who wouldn't want to defend a stand up guy like Paul Manafort? If you're going to sell out your country, you may as well launder some money while you're at it. #Make America Grifted Again. Let's make sure we protect Manafort because... wait... why are we protecting Paul Manafort again? OH RIGHT! Because Mueller is bad and out of control. Whew.
     
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  16. dobro1229

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    Don't forget that we also need to throw out big bad Rod Rosenstein because how dare he sign off on a FISA warrant for Captain America Carter Page who describes HIMSELF as an "Advisor to the Kremlin".

    Gotta love the GOP'ers sticking up for these Good Ole Boy Patriots.
     
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    Best of all, the source is a "lawyer" based in, you guessed it, trump tower.
     
  18. tallanvor

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    Never said Manafort wasn't guilty. Haven't defended him once. I think he's a sleeze ball.
     
  19. larsv8

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    You can claim whatever victories you want, and celebrate with the worms living near your head, in whatever sand pit its buried in.

    It does not surprise me that you cannot recognize that "Techno Frog" took an extremely selective and biases approach to transcribing the hearing. Echo chamber, gonna echo chamber. I guess we can wait till man with pipe chimes in on all this, to really settle the debate.
     
  20. KingCheetah

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    Have y'all seen this? Very compelling...
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