If LeBron James is so great, why does he have to change teams and stack the deck with superstars

How many playoff series did Dream win between 86 and 92?

 

How many teams did Hakeem chase for titles? How many non-rockets people are claiming Hakeem as GOAT?

There is no great debate LeBron is not the best player in the league. LeBron needs to spend more time being the best player on the floor and less time playing GM and coach. Yes, the Cavs are a crappy organization, however nobody made him leave Miami to go back.

 

ask @tinman

 

Sorry, greatness does not mean every great player is a closer......were Magic and Oscar Robertson closers?

 

The Pacers are't that good. Victor O. is a decent star but outside of him the Pacers aren't worth mentioning. Cleveland was supposed to beat them and they did. Let's not act like Lebron was some type of underdog who overcame incredible odds to beat a juggernaut team. I don't even think that Pacers team wouldve went 7 games against our team w/ James, Parson, Lin & Asik. Let's not get carried away with that series

 

FYI that is one of the 5 best teams in the East.

Cleveland is a below average team with the arguably best player who is old. I am not carried away by anything. That is the simple truth.

Name a current Superstar that is dragging his team out of a mess night in night out who is 33 years old?

Is Harden 33 year old? Is Curry? Is Durant?

I am proud to be a peer of the LBJ, CP3 generation.

 

Magic was most definitely a closer. I don't know how he did it with that funky shot too. That same funky shot was also shooting well over 90% FT his final 3 seasons, so you could rely on him at the line. He was 29,30,31 and only getting better at shooting. He even shot 38.4% from 3 with 3.5 attempts in 89-90. Jordan about the same with the same amount of attempts. A clear indication that if they took enough, their 3pt % would be just fine and they'd fit in just fine in any era including today. Hard to get a good rhythm and % over a season when you shoot less than 1 attempt per game and many of those being last second heaves. Nevertheless, yes. Magic was a closa fo sho.

I think LeBron is a closer too, or at least the stats say so, but more so in games that shouldn't really be in the first place. He also has too many career down moments that never show up in those stats because of how passive he was. The win against GS for example, everyone will remember the block. I'll remember LeBron in the winding seconds standing deep in the corner as far away from the ball as possible while Kyrie went ISO and hit the dagger. The excuses after that and even directly from LeBron was(and of course they always gotta bring up MJ to try and tear him down) "But, MJ had Paxson and Kerr hit big shots. Everyone forgets that. He didn't do it alone." Without context, sure. But, with context, that's stupid. MJ is obviously one of the most clutch players every with so many of the greatest moments in NBA history in the biggest games and especially in the Finals. 2 plays in his career in series in which they were up in the series doesn't make it anywhere near the same as LeBrons moments. Not only that, but the 93 play, the Bulls had only scored 9 pts up to that last shot. Michael scored all 9 of those pts. That last play was created by Jordan bringing the ball up court "Jordan trying to get a full head of steam" so of course Pips man jumped too high and jordan passed it up to Pip who turned to the basket and passed to Grant who passed to Paxson for the 3. Jordan wasn't standing away from the ball trying to avoid getting it. The Kerr shot was directly from Jordan being double teamed and passing it to Kerr who was wide open b/c Stockton left him to double MJ.
With LeBron, there's the game winner against Orlando. There's the moment against Detroit. Then, there's the Ray Allen shot, in which was created from a LeBron desperation miss and a Bosh OREB. Then there's the block and the Kyrie dagger as LeBron stood around in the corner watching. Everyone forgets the 41 pt Kyrie game 5 on 17-24 shooting as well.

 

Cleveland has played like a above average team playing amongst lesser competition in the east. When they had more starpower early in the season, the team had all kinds internal issues that Lebron was apart of. So Lebron isn't any victim here. It's funny when Cleveland unloaded everybody midseason, ppl applauded how much younger & more athletic the Cavs got. Now all of sudden the Cavs are back to a below average roster? Which one is it

 

What the hell? Bro, go research on Oscar Robertson before you come back in here. The guy was MJ before MJ. Efficient, Intelligent and an absolute killer.

Oscar was closing out teams with that mid-range jumper since 1960. Terrible example.

Also, Magic closed out a STACKEDDDDD Sixers team, starting at C, as a ROOKIE. Not to mention the countless buckets he created against some of the greatest defensive teams ever assembled in the Finals. Sheesh. People just deleting NBA history without actually having watched it.

 

Sans Lebron.

 

He's a Tmac fan. He doesn't know much about NBA history

 

I am neitner, Tinman or Tmac fan, but I feel like Hubie Brown, you could call me apologist or defender of underdogs, I shouldn't do no more that because of high blood pressure.

You are the master of being real yet you attack posters and yet rarely stay on topic.

I should have used another way of expression.

Spoiler

Selfless players do trust their teammates more than they should when it rings crunch time.

Or if you take the shot.

If you exhausted yourself for the entire game, of course your shots fall flat.

That has nothing to do with being clutch or not, every athlete goes through fatigue.

And Lebron does not have the mindset to take every buzzer beater.

 

Why are you keep on mentioning these scrubs' names???
Thomas is a broken products you cant expect much from him.
Wade, except one good game what did he contribute to Heat this playoffs??
Rose, basically get minutes in the playoffs because twolves basically have no bench. He and Wade were so good that they went fishing together early.
Crowder??? This guy has been shooting less than 40% in Jazz. Will you trade Ariza for Crowder??

 

Um, please show me how Harden elevated these guys?

 

Those players played exactly the same when they played in Houston as they played elsewhere in the NBA. Not sure how you see them being "elevated by a great player." Actually you can even argue that Brewer is elevated by Westbrook as he was having the best numbers of his career in OKC.

 

and you could say that harden didn't "elevate" dwight either.

 

So now you basically said Wade, Rose & Crowder are scrubs and expect Lebron to evelate them?

Lebron has solid role players??? Again, would you trade:
Thompson for Capela?
Krover for Tucker?
Smith for Ariza?
Hill for Gordon?
Clarkson for Gerald Green?
Jeff Green for Mbah a Moute

Lebron has a ok role players that's the reason the Cavs struggled mightily last season. Of cos, Lebron only has himself to blame for all these (Thompson's contract, Irving situation etc.)

I am not a Lebron fan but i really hate those haters post the same crap over and over again.