[Tracy McGrady] No matter how hard you try and how great you are, you need pieces to elevate you.

Here's the conundrum for McGrady lovers.

If he was so great, why did he need All stars playing beside him to simply get out of the FIRST ROUND?? For once...just once!

As Iverson would say...

First Round!! We talkin First round here!!!!

0-8 lol...

Maybe he wasn't as great as he tries to make himself to be on media.

 

Great players are needed on teams to be successful but he’s right at the end of the day it’s a team sport and whether your golden state either 4 stars or the spurs with a few abd good role players you gotta have other players to win

All these greats we talk about typically had good players on their teams or other stars

 

He was 18-20 when he played with half of those guys. Yao is amazing but for the most part his teammates were trash. Compare T-Mac teammates to other HOFers.

 

Tracy McGrady goes up 2-0 in several of the series.

Thinks he has won the series.

Even declares victory on TV lol...

Proceeds to lose every single series.

Did his teammates turn to **** in the middle of the series??

 

In Toronto, he is not "the man", and in their only playoff appearance, he played better than Carter albeit being the second option in the team.

It's hilarious you throw out names like Stoudamire, Doug Christie, Marcus Camby, Chauncey Billups, Walt Williams, those are the players Tmac played with in his rookies year when he is at the bottom of the bench. Are you really going to blame the 10th man in the team for not carrying the team into the playoffs? By the way, that team had the second worst record in the NBA that year, showing how "great" this supporting cast Tmac had.

The fact that you put players like Drew Gooden, Jim Jackson, Mike James, Bob Sura, Rafer Alston, Shane Battier, Aaron Brooks into Tmac's best supporting group actually shows how little help he had throughout his career. If you make a list for Kobe/Lebron/KD, you'll be stunned by the difference.

Tmac was not excellent in the playoffs, he has had an bad series(07 Jazz) and several bad games. He is not as good as Lebron or Kobe, but those two are all time top 10 players; but he played at the same level as KD without Russ or Curry in the playoffs, that is a very high level.

 

Always the same deceitful excuses... SMH

First, half is a gross exaggeration. 2nd, so what if he was 18-20? You want to see trash teammates, go see LBJ's teammates early on when he carried his team past the first round.

 

I agree that you need a good supporting cast to get deep into the playoffs. The first round of the playoffs on the other hand? Sorry, but that's complete bullshit.

 

It was nice when the Rockets got McGrady but to get him they had to take back crap like Juwan Howard's contract and it didn't help that they were throwing what little money they had at guys like Stromile Swift, either. It was like the exact opposite of Morey's "maintain flexibility" approach. If Yao was fully mature when they got T-Mac, maybe they would have had a chance, but by the time Yao was ready to really carry a team, McGrady was breaking down and then Yao broke down soon after.

 

Vince Carter and Yao Ming DID NOT NEED Tmac to win at least the first round

 

We got T-Mac to carry the team. Yao was always supposed to play 2nd fiddle to him. Fact of the matter is, a player with T-Mac's skill is supposed to advance past the first round, regardless of how trash his cast was.

 

* regular season

 

Tmac quit on the team the one year we actually had the talent to win it all .

That 08/09 team was incredible ... took the lakers to seven games with no Yao (no tmac)

AB/ Lowry
Tmac/von
Battier/artest
Scolandy
Yao / Hayes/ mutombu

Not until this year has a comparable roster been created .

Maybe he was really hurt . But I remember he went off unnanounced and the next thing we heard was that he was getting micro-fracture. b**** move to do it the way he did it .

 

McGrady only played 20 playoff games for the Rockets and started 38 for his ENTIRE CAREER

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Season      Age  Tm  Lg Pos  G GS   MP  FG FGA  FG% 3P 3PA  3P%  2P 2PA  2P% eFG%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF  PTS
1999-00      20 TOR NBA  SF  3  3  111  17  44 .386  2   7 .286  15  37 .405 .409  14  16 .875  10  11  21   9   3   3  10 10   50
2000-01      21 ORL NBA  SG  4  4  178  51 123 .415  2  10 .200  49 113 .434 .423  31  38 .816   6  20  26  33   7   5   8 11  135
2001-02      22 ORL NBA  SG  4  4  178  42  91 .462  5  16 .313  37  75 .493 .489  34  46 .739   6  19  25  22   2   7  13 11  123
2002-03      23 ORL NBA  SG  7  7  308  74 165 .448 16  47 .340  58 118 .492 .497  58  75 .773  10  37  47  33  14   6  26 16  222
2004-05      25 HOU NBA  SF  7  7  301  78 171 .456 17  46 .370  61 125 .488 .506  42  51 .824  12  40  52  47  11  10  26 20  215
2006-07      27 HOU NBA  SG  7  7  280  63 160 .394  9  36 .250  54 124 .435 .422  42  57 .737   5  36  41  51   5   6  21 12  177
2007-08      28 HOU NBA  SG  6  6  247  62 146 .425  5  24 .208  57 122 .467 .442  33  53 .623   7  42  49  41   9   5  18  8  162
2011-12      32 ATL NBA  SF  6  0   90  10  26 .385  0   4 .000  10  22 .455 .385   5   6 .833   6  11  17   6   0   2  10  4   25
2012-13      33 SAS NBA  SF  6  0   31   0   7 .000  0   3 .000   0   4 .000 .000   0        0   1   7   8   7   2   3   2  1    0
Career                  NBA 50 38 1724 397 933 .426 56 193 .290 341 740 .461 .456 259 342 .757  63 223 286 249  53  47 134 93 1109
                                                                                                                               
3 seasons       HOU     NBA 20 20  828 203 477 .426 31 106 .292 172 371 .464 .458 117 161 .727  24 118 142 139  25  21  65 40  554
3 seasons       ORL     NBA 15 15  664 167 379 .441 23  73 .315 144 306 .471 .471 123 159 .774  22  76  98  88  23  18  47 38  480
1 season        ATL     NBA  6  0   90  10  26 .385  0   4 .000  10  22 .455 .385   5   6 .833   6  11  17   6   0   2  10  4   25
1 season        SAS     NBA  6  0   31   0   7 .000  0   3 .000   0   4 .000 .000   0        0   1   7   8   7   2   3   2  1    0
1 season        TOR     NBA  3  3  111  17  44 .386  2   7 .286  15  37 .405 .409  14  16 .875  10  11  21   9   3   3  10 10   50


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Harden has 46 games started. And he played with crap like Jeremy Lin.

At least Tmac had YAO MING. A LEGEND.

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Season      Age  Tm  Lg Pos  G GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  2P 2PA  2P% eFG%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
2009-10      20 OKC NBA  SG  6  0  120  12   31 .387   6  16 .375   6  15 .400 .484  16  19 .842   1  14  15  11   6   1   3  14   46
2010-11      21 OKC NBA  SG 17  0  537  66  139 .475  23  76 .303  43  63 .683 .558  66  80 .825  10  81  91  61  21  13  28  48  221
2011-12      22 OKC NBA  SG 20  0  630  93  214 .435  32  78 .410  61 136 .449 .509 108 126 .857  13  89 102  68  31   2  42  67  326
2012-13      23 HOU NBA  SG  6  6  243  45  115 .391  15  44 .341  30  71 .423 .457  53  66 .803   5  35  40  27  12   6  27  18  158
2013-14      24 HOU NBA  SG  6  6  263  50  133 .376  16  54 .296  34  79 .430 .436  45  50 .900   5  23  28  35  12   1  21  21  161
2014-15      25 HOU NBA  SG 17 17  636 129  294 .439  41 107 .383  88 187 .471 .509 163 178 .916  12  85  97 128  28   7  77  49  462
2015-16      26 HOU NBA  SG  5  5  193  41  100 .410  13  42 .310  28  58 .483 .475  38  45 .844   7  19  26  38  12   1  26  13  133
2016-17      27 HOU NBA  PG 11 11  407  90  218 .413  32 115 .278  58 103 .563 .486 101 115 .878   7  53  60  93  21   5  59  43  313
2017-18      28 HOU NBA  SG  1  1   41  15   26 .577   7  12 .583   8  14 .571 .712   7   9 .778   2   2   4   8   2   0   3   2   44
Career                  NBA 89 46 3070 541 1270 .426 185 544 .340 356 726 .490 .499 597 688 .868  62 401 463 469 145  36 286 275 1864
                                                                                                                                   
6 seasons       HOU     NBA 46 46 1783 370  886 .418 124 374 .332 246 512 .480 .488 407 463 .879  38 217 255 329  87  20 213 146 1271
3 seasons       OKC     NBA 43  0 1287 171  384 .445  61 170 .359 110 214 .514 .525 190 225 .844  24 184 208 140  58  16  73 129  593

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Generated 4/18/2018.

 

Yao was a pretty distant second fiddle, though. The Rockets in general were still in the "Hey, Yao's open in the post and calling for it...think I'll swing it around the perimeter again..." mode. The Rockets were hoping for the new Kobe and Shaq and it just didn't happen (for a variety of reasons).

 

How about the playoff points per game leader in Rocket's history?(27.7 per game, slightly above Harden's 27.6)

 

I'm a Rockets fan not a first round playoff fantasy player

What's Tmac's stats for the 2nd round? Conference Finals?

 

Yao averaged 18/8 the first year T-Mac joined and 22/10 the next year. You call that "a pretty distant second fiddle"?!? Those are freaking elite big man numbers!

 

Thank you REAL Rockets fan

 

Winning a single playoff series over the course of a career is hardly considered success and he couldn't even do that. Spoken like a true loser

 

Yes, they're pretty nice numbers and I probably phrased things badly. Unfortunately, though, the Rockets needed even more to make up for stuff like relying on Ryan Bowen to slow down Dirk Nowitzki or on Luther Head to make some 3s. Bottom line is the team never got its crap together enough to seriously contend whether we're talking about T-Mac or Yao.