Starbucks closing stores after 2 black men arrested

When this topic was originally posted I knew this one was right up Bobby’s alley. I knew it would be good and Bobby has done his part. Now I just need someone like glynch or a new poster to escalate the thread.

Perhaps someone could lob a “honkey” or “cracker” reference towards Bobby and we can this sucker really lit.

 

LOL again on the lame attempt.

And why didn't you believe the CEO? "That's called damage control" is a double edged sword.
Unless of course you will produce the Starbucks policy that ABSOLUTELY exist.

 

If these two guys had conceal/carry this wouldn’t have been an issue.

Huey Newton had it right about blacks and firearms.

Firearms have been almost the exclusive domain of whites for too long.

 

I think it has more to do with the two men being mistaken for the homeless population than their actual race.

 

I prefer to believe women. This whole issue is an example of misogyny. A couple of men refuse to accept the authority of a woman in a position of power...to the point where they'd rather be arrested than to acknowledge the authority of the female. This happens all the time when oppressors refuse to accept the authority of oppressed people.

Even worse, the oppressed person was fired for daring to enforce rules on her oppressors...if that's not an example of male privilege I don't know what is.

Perhaps you should takea step back and acknowledge not only this misogyny but your own male privilege.

 

As Bobby pointed these guys brought attention to themselves when asking to use the restroom.

Have you never seen a restroom for customers only sign in Houston? What would happen if you insisted on using a restroom and weren't a customer in a place like that.

I have no doubt race played a factor. It doesn't matter. You don't have a right to be in a restaurant you aren't spending money in.

Edit: if you are gonna sit and tell me you've never seen a gas station with a restroom for customers only sign I'm gonna call you a liar

I can't even use downtown tunnel restrooms without eating

 

Turning this into white privilege is stupid. Being in a restaurant just to hang ain't a constitutional right and not an obligation of a restaurant

 

Did*

And no, I don't think we had that policy. To be fair though I was a 20 year old making probably $6/hr so I never bothered myself with learning the policies.

 

Read those two sentences again. You are sure that race played a factor in them being asked to leave. That being the case it does matter. You are admitting that since they are black, it factored in in them being asked to leave. Regardless of any policy they have regarding paying customers or using the facilities, if race played a factor in them being asked to leave, it DOES matter.

 

No it's just overrated coffee that they weren't even planning on buying

Why would you be in a place that doesn't want you. But if you aren't spending money you have no leg to stand on

We have civil rights. They were won a long time ago

 

Whoah!!! I did not see that coming.

 

Maybe. But a white person dressed like that probably would not be assumed homeless.

Btw, though I see the homeless angle might support the assumption that these guys didn't ever intend to buy anything, I still think it's shameful the way stores run out homeless people for being homeless. At the end of the day, these policies about being a "customer" has a lot of typecasting in it. Even when I'm not paying that day, I am the sort of person Starbucks and most stores want customer loyalty from. They will put up with impositions from me that they would not tolerate from a homeless man or a teenager or a black guy because they want me to come back and be a paying customer later. Only when a customer looks to be of so little value (negative value) do you get bad customer service like this. The manager looked at these guys, their skin, their clothes, their behavior, and decided she didn't value having their business ever. That just never, ever happens to me. I'd have to be criminally drunk before a hospitality establishment decided I wasn't worth respecting.

People will respond that businesses are in business to make money. That nobody has a right to be in their place. They have policies. Whatever, I don't care. I'm an affluent white male and they want my business. Now, I'm just one person, a price-taker with a negligible amount of influence on my own on how other people do business. But, I want to do business with companies that don't discriminate against black people, homeless people, etc. If enough people felt as I do (which doesn't seem to be the case, regrettably), they would need to reconsider their practices to win our business.

 

Definitely up Bobby's alley. Typical jilted, angry, white nationalist, trailer park Trump voter.

• Black people getting arrested in Starbucks- Check
• Video goes viral on social media- Check
• People are angry- Check
• Bobby needs to jump in and tell everyone why people shouldn't be angry- Check

It bugs him like no other that people are angry about this. Its important he explains to people why they shouldn't be angry.


Meanwhile...

• Van plows into crowd in Germany- Check
• Bobby sees this on FoxNews- Check
• Bobby bumps 1 year old thread- Check
• Bobby's preconceived notions are immediately shutdown- Check
• Bobby sticks to his guns- Check

• Bobby proceeds to get destroyed by the rest of CF.net throughout the thread- Check
• Bobby wonders why nobody likes him- Check
• @ipaman complains about "bullying"- Check

Conclusion:

Bobby is a racist trailer park ****boy

 

If the manager had been male, there's no doubt in my mind that the 2 men would have respected his authority enough to just leave. Just more evidence of the patriarchal male supremacist culture we live in.

 

Kind of like that white culture we live in.

 

You forgot the word "white"

 

There's so much to this story that we probably aren't even being told. Reporters are known to exclude important stuff or just run with someone's statement who could be completely false and unlikely but print it anyway. Who knows if these guys had been by before and were jerks, or have a habit of coming in and just using the place for bathroom and hang out? Who knows if the 'white woman' who was there is a regular customer, or if she bought something and threw it away and looked like she had nothing. These are important small facts that would be left out to get clicks and help get an article noticed while inflamming everyone's emotions. We're only given small bits of info and race to conclusions bc of, well, race. Any normal person would've left if someone asked them to...there is a reason these 2 men in particular felt the need to fight the manager's decision to leave...I don't think it's because they're trying to stand up for their civil rights. Probably the same reason they went immediately for the lawyers route. There's probably a history there that we'll never know. But we'll find out years later and not even acknowledge the truth of the event and how wrong we were to continue to perpetuate some BS narrative.

 

No, I didn't, all men are inherently misogynistic and oppressive of women. Don't you know how cultural Marxism works? Perhaps your privilege as an oppressor blinds you to the evils of the patriarchy.

 

Maybe, maybe not. A white non-paying customer has likely been denied restroom privileges at that Starbucks before and never questioned it. Same goes the other way that white and black non-paying customers may have been mistaken for paying customers and allowed to use the restroom. It's a hard policy to enforce 100% but it's hard to claim widespread racism when one black non-paying customer is denied the restroom when a different white non-paying customer is allowed.

It's a fair policy, though. A restroom gets abused by non-paying customers and employees have to service it for no charge. The homeless are generally the worst offenders. There are also the drug addicted and mentally ill homeless that will harass customers. It's noble that you want to support businesses that don't discriminate, but most businesses have customers that do not want to be harassed by the homeless and the businesses are allowed to respond accordingly.

 

It's really none of anyone business, but their own. Here is their mission statement and I highlight the one that is relevant here. How should a company react when they break one of their value?

https://www.starbucks.com/about-us/company-information/mission-statement

OUR MISSION
To inspire and nurture the human spirit – one person, one cup and one neighborhood at a time.


OUR VALUES
With our partners, our coffee and our customers at our core, we live these values:

• Creating a culture of warmth and belonging, where everyone is welcome.
• Acting with courage, challenging the status quo and finding new ways to grow our company and each other.
• Being present, connecting with transparency, dignity and respect.
• Delivering our very best in all we do, holding ourselves accountable for results.

We are performance driven, through the lens of humanity.