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Vince Carter Undercuts Patrick McCaw / Patty Mills undercuts PJ Tucker

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Huricane, Apr 1, 2018.

  1. FTW Rockets FTW

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    TBH not sure why/if Vince Carter would do something like that with any intention

    Dude is in his last legs cashing in them checks at a garbage team that ahs nothing going for it
     
  2. Bruce Bowen

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    he was blocking out for rebound...
     
  3. Dankstronaut

    Dankstronaut Way, way out here.

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    No he wasn't.

    You don't block out by sliding. Especially not someone who you give up 80 pounds. Sliding into a PJ Tucker would have Patty Mills getting annihilated. He knew he was jump and slid into him so that he wouldn't be underneath him when he fell. That's b**** tactics.
     
  4. fba34

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    BTW Bruce Bowen is a garbage human being
     
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  5. cebu

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    Boxing out is a critical part of basketball, as it prevents your opponent from getting rebounds. Boxing out in basketball is a technique used by a player to position himself to best get a rebound after a shot has been missed. It is so effective that a shorter player can out rebound a taller player.

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  6. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Daddy Long Legs H- Town Harden

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    Mangina
     
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  8. Huricane

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    In one of your posts you said that he was "blocking out."
    I'll assume you meant "boxing out."

    In another one of your posts, you said Patty Mills was going for a rebound, but didn't see PJ Tucker.

    So either, Mills was boxing out PJ Tucker and saw TJ Tucker, or...
    ...Mills didn't see PJ Tucker, and thus did not need to box-out PJ Tucker, -and by extension, had no reason to slide over and could have just jumped straight up for a rebound.

    Both of your arguments lack consistency and continuity.
    Furthermore, they contradict each other.

    Finally, if you watch the video of the clip when it first starts, you can see that when Patty slides over, his back pushes PJ's legs from out underneath him.

    I am done arguing and this is my last post on this subject.
    If you want to be a troll and continue arguing, it will just make you look like more of a homer and a complete idiot.
     
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  9. Houstunna

    Houstunna Mr Graphix
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    McCaw's Injury

    Not career-ended = Bullet dodged
    Only misses current season = Even Better

    Only misses THREE games....
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  10. c1utchfan925

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    Looks to me that Vince Carter instinctively went for the foul but may have realized too late the play was dead and attempted to withdraw him fully making contact with McCaw. If McCaw able to move around immediately after the injury, it's unlikely that he suffered an injury to an area that would have rendered his lower half of his body to be paralyzed.

    Sure Vince Carter shouldn't have made contact with someone who appeared to be on the way down from leaping as he was a leaper in his younger years but he has played around 20 years in the league and it was different when he first started with how the NBA is called versus now. Just didn't look like Vince was doing anything purposeful to harm McCaw. Hope McCaw has a quick and speedy recovery.

    Anyone who thinks Carter or Mills were obvious in their roles in those falls needs to rewatch Bruce Bowen, if you want a dirty player.. He's your best case example at crossing the line at being aggressive.
     
  11. Mr. Space City

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    why are spurms fans in the garm?
     
  12. bulkatron

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    I don't think Vince meant to undercut McCaw. He kind of lazily half defends the play and just clips him a bit.

    I also don't think Mills meant to undercut Tucker. Mills looked like he was trying to get out of the way when Tucker went flying in for a rebound.

    The Green play was BS though, and in general Mills is kind of an annoying dirty guy.
     
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  13. s3ts

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    Welp, I disagree. Mills' eyes look like they're fixated on the hoop because of the direction his head is facing, but he clearly times his back-stepping as soon as PJ jumps.

     
  14. dc rock

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    Mills is from a long line of Spurs thugs. You got Danny Ferry, Will Perdue, Bruce Bowen, Manu Ginobili, and so on. Popovich is probably the greatest NBA coach ever, but the number of dirty players he threw on the court will be the biggest blemish on his record. Maybe the dirty Zaza play, that has indirectly upended their franchise, is poetic justice.
     
  15. YOLO

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    yes he calculated the exact time PJ jumps so he could go right under him. oh please.

    The only reason that play became worse than what it should of been is because PJ is already in the air as PM is trying to track the ball as it is coming off. once guys get airbone, they're obviously vulnerable. Plays like that are going to happen. That's just the nature of competition. trying to break down the incident as if it were a premeditated carefully timed move is laughable.
     
  16. vlaurelio

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    at 0:32 mills clearly felt tucker jump and saw him up in the air before he decided to full on slide back and undercut him
     
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  17. s3ts

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    I'll blame PJ slightly. He can't be so reckless w/ his jumping. I do the same blaming on D Rose. Dude keeps landing on his joints instead of bending his knees on impact to brace himself, as well as strange twisting and lateral movement.
     
  18. s3ts

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    And where's the paint?

    That's right. When you're literally at the rim, you don't box out unless you know he's approaching the basket from 5-6 ft and out, or if you know your boxing out is going to be good enough. You typically jump up to rebound if you're literally at the rim.
     
  19. s3ts

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    I'm not saying Patty is an all-around dirty player or that this was so dangerous that he deserves an ejection. I also don't argue that it never happens. We just saw it happen to McCaw right before PJ.

    I'm saying that on this specific play, you can tell with the placement of Patty's left arm that he was trying to box him out, and once he knew PJ was jumping, he shifted his legs toward him. I think it was his peripheral vision, but you can disagree, the video isn't good enough to know. It was probably not intentionally flagrant, for all I know he might've even apologized to PJ right after the play. But he friggn did it anyway. What do you want me to say, he wasn't aware of anything? That's absurd.
     
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  20. Carl Herrera

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    PJ Tucker managed to avoid injury because he has much more cushion for the pushin'. #THICC
     
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