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Nick Wright on James Harden is the 'best offensive player' D'Antoni ever seen

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Shaq2Yao, Mar 23, 2018.

  1. smp

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    You are 100 percent correct. I remember hearing this kind of stuff about all 3 of those players. Kobe had it even worse though because he had to prove his success wasn't just because of Shaq.

    People love to hate for some reason, but only the great players get hated on at a national level.
     
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  2. Invisible Fan

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    Lebryan tried to do it all his first 7 years in Cleveland. He didn’t talk much about help. Totally disrespected by media.

    Now he shakes GMs for Big 3s during off seasons and cries publicly in front of the guys he wants gone while they’re fighting for seeding. Still loved by media and their undisputed best player.

    No one is ignoring James has brain freezes. He’s human and he tried to do everything. You don’t become the most potent offensive player in regular season history for being mentally weak or lazy. This season is special because his weaknesses look minimized like you see with teams curry or Lebyran is on.

    And westrbrick? Such a tiresome comparison because he charges in like a bull rather than reading the situation and realize he’s being played by the other teams gameplan. Those mental lapses during the clutch are still pathetic resultswise but is more accepted because it looks like he’s trying “despite the lack of help” while his mindless flailing is sinking the team.
     
  3. vlaurelio

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    do you have any data which supports that any other superstar could have single handedly carried the rockets (cap, ariza, ryno, ego, pbev, lou, dekker, harrell, mdas total dependency on an elite playmaker for 48 minutes/8-man rotation) to a 'chip last year?

    or any data which supports that harden instead of curry in 15 or kd in 17 would have stopped GSW from winning it all?
     
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    Why would I argue any of that. The point is that Harden has had some bad and or questionable playoff games, so there's a reason to doubt him until he proves people wrong. This doesn't make me an anti Harden fan, or a Curry fan.

    If we wanna get majorly sidetracked, it DOES amuse me how people take a dump all over TMac here and then turn around and use the same arguments in hardens defense.
     
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  5. vlaurelio

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    So u admit it was physically and mentally impossible for any other player to have single handedly carried the rockets farther last year
     
  6. Carl Herrera

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    Will Nick Wright continue to support the Rockets after Morey got rid of his dad Brandon Wright?
     
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  7. Houstunna

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    This post reeks of a Whoa-is-me attitude.... which led to outright lying.

    The only people "totally" disrespecting LeBron are blind Kobe and Jordan fans. LeBron won two MVPs with CLE and was well-respected for his first Cavs stint. The media knew his supporting cast was weak and he got major props for leading them to where he did.

    If you haven't noticed, Westbrook's current narrative is 1) being a bad teammate 2) has a low bball IQ 3) is NOT clutch and 4) doesn't make others better. Have you really not already heard any of that?

    It's okay to say Harden is a great player AND has underachieved in the playoffs (yes, by his own lofty standards).
     
  8. vlaurelio

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    if harden replaced curry in 15 or kd in 17 u sure gsw haven't won those chips?
     
  9. BigO

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    "Best "offensive" player we've ever seen"
     
  10. Houstunna

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    If KD or Curry's playoff numbers dropped like Harden, I'd say they underachieved in the postseason.

    Future is bright
     
  11. vlaurelio

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    So with ur bball knowledge ur sure gsw wont even win a single chip if they had harden instead of curry in 15 or kd in 17
     
  12. Houstunna

    Houstunna Mr Graphix
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    Your leaps know no bounds.
     
  13. vlaurelio

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    all I'm saying its physically impossible for a lone superstar to single handedly carry last years rockets farther than harden did

    harden didn't hold back the team last year from going farther.. it's the other way around

    unless you can name some other superstar who could have single handedly carried last years rockets farther than harden did
     
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  14. Houstunna

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    THIS is about "production regression", not specifically, "carrying a team farther". And it's not solely about last season.

    If Harden's playoffs stats matched his regular season, he wouldn't be doubted like he is regardless if W-L outcomes remained the same.

    You can't honestly dispute Harden hasn't regressed in the playoffs.
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    Future is bright. Versace incoming.
     
  15. vlaurelio

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    it is carrying a heavy burden for 82 games does carry over to the playoffs and lone superstar teams are easily stopped in the playoffs

    okay, who can single handedly carry the rockets to more than 55 wins last year?

    and if they do, will their production regress in the playoffs being the only super star?

    can't name anyone?
     
  16. Houstunna

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    Okay, so you do acknowledge a "production regression".

    That's all I was saying.
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    Future is bright. Upgraded to Dita
     
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    Copied from a fan in a Hawks forum...


    Watching Harden tonight made me really covetous of a big ballhandler who can run an offense

    A guy like that initiating the offense is such a scheme breaker. I really hope we can get Doncic in this draft since he’s the closest thing within our reach to this sort of player. And the NBA is all about these types of players now. If Luka is available, grab him and let he and Collins get PNR buckets together and surround them with shooters without a conscious a la Houston and baby you got a stew going.

    I honestly love watching the Rockets play futuristic basketball. Everyone talks about how they only shoot a three or inside the paint, but you have to watch them to see it for yourself. Also, for me it’s interesting seeing how different they are from the Warriors or the prime Spurs. They exclusively run PNR with either Harden or CP3 as the ballhandler and it’s just endless kick outs or drives. Whenever anyone is open behind the arc, they take it; no indecisiveness or looking for a better shot. Contrast that with the Warriors/Spurs who move the ball around a lot and generate a ton of assets spread across the entire rotation, similar to how we play on offense under Bud. I wonder if we’ll ever get to the point where we consider going with the Morey approach and forgo pure ball movement in favor of maximum efficiency. It’s just a barrage of math on offense. You have to have the personnel obviously, but it goes to show that you don’t necessarily need to have four of the top fifteen players in the league to win 70 games if you follow the right script.
     
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  18. Swapshop

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    Cool stats that almost everyone knows about. Did you know that P.J. Tucker has a PER of 8.1 with only 5.8 ppg, .9 assists, and 5.5 rebounds? Dude is trash we clearly need to get rid of him according to your logic.
     
  19. vlaurelio

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    yeah any other superstar tasked to single handedly carry the rockets last year will suffer the same thing


    its the team around him not harden stop hating..
     
  20. Houstunna

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    I'm hating.. yet, you DELETE anything positive in my posts.

    I like your Rockets fandom.

    I'm the same, except far less biased.
     

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