Okay, so an NRA spokestroll criticized the Parkland kids, saying nobody would know their names if it wasn't for their tragedy. Yeah, they responded to tragedy by becoming very active and speaking up. Um, that's the point. So how on Earth is his statement a criticism? He is either: 1. Just stating the obvious b/c he has no persuasive reaction. 2. Arguing they should be happy about their classmates getting gunned down. (?) 3. Arguing they should shut up because nobody knew their names before the massacre. (?) 4. Bueller? Anyone? WTF is the troll trying to say? LOL. The NRA -- and I'm very serious -- needs to go all in on a new PR firm. Preach safety and gun rights. Don't denigrate survivors of mass shootings. Can I send them an invoice for that advice? LOL.
The NRA is the #1 driver of the lack of gun legislation so they have as much culpability in American gun culture as anyone.
As long as the movement are kids driven and is seen as such, the NRA and no-compromise guns right folks do stand a chance. How successful will they be at blaming this movement on ____? Paid actors? Radical violent group? Empty shots.
voters see media/corporate elites aligned to take away their constitutional right to self-defense (with children as the instrument), and will act accordingly
This is just one in a long line of the you're not protesting the right way responses that conservatives love to trot out as a deflection of the issues being protested. Boring.
speaking of deflection, the goal of all this is gun confiscation, but they rarely come out and say it
Educate yourself. They state exactly what they want. https://marchforourlives.com/how-we-save-lives/ 1. Fund gun violence research and gun violence prevention/intervention programs. We must provide the CDC with dedicated funding to research gun violence as a public health issue. Even the original sponsor of the law that limits the CDC’s ability to do this research, former Congressman Jay Dickey, said that it was a mistake. More than 100 medical organizations have called on Congress to restore funding. Furthermore, we believe that gun violence and prevention community work is essential to reducing gun violence and these groups should be funded fully. 2. Eliminate absurd restrictions on ATF. The gun industry has operated mostly unchecked for far too long. ATF, the only federal agency with jurisdiction to regulate the gun industry, has been operating with one hand tied behind its back – unable to even digitize records of gun sales – or require gun dealers to conduct annual inventory checks to make sure they aren’t missing any guns. The ATF needs to become a modern agency, one capable of keeping receipts and efficiently regulating this massive industry. 3. Universal background checks. It is too easy to obtain a firearm. Right now, federal law only requires you to obtain a background check if you purchase a gun from a licensed dealer. We must close the private sale loophole and make sure all sales undergo a background check. 4. High-capacity magazine ban. High-capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds serve only one purpose – to allow someone to shoot as many bullets as possible, in the shortest amount of time. These magazines are devastating and need to be banned. 5. Limit firing power on the streets. Weapons of war have no place in our communities. Our nation requires a comprehensive assault weapons ban that prohibits the future production and sale of these weapons and provides a solution for dealing with those assault weapons that are already owned, such as a buyback program or registration. Limiting high-powered weapons to the military has worked elsewhere to eliminate the opportunity for mass shootings.
another attempt to blame... it's not the kids wanting a future for themselves, it's someone else using them
Horseshit. When Congress prevents the CDC from studying gun violence, that's about preventing gun confiscation? Seriously?
this is absurd given what these kids are allowed to say about the NRA (don't care about children, child murderers, blood on their hands, any profane epithet you can think of) and then any push back and we are told the kids are beyond reproach
I'm not saying that -- good try -- but I am saying the NRA is not, in this present time, using very smart PR. Just my take, and polls seem to show a majority of Americans agree. My question stands, and it is in no way absurd: what was the point of Noir's comment? Yes, these kids would have zero platform if they had not survived a mass killing that took many of their classmates. And? More humane and effective PR might say something like: we understand the anger of these kids, but it is completely misplaced. Here's why... blah blah ...
The point is their viewpoint carries no more merit by virtue of their experiences, yet they are given an outsized microphone. The easiest way to tell this is how any MSD student who disagrees with the gun confiscation agenda is ignored by media outside of Fox. sometimes, the mask slips, these kids are amateurs after all
(1) Well, okay, thank you: I see that point to an extent. A point carries no more logical merit by virtue of their experiences, but it makes the message more powerful and resonant to other human beings, and since those kids could be at any high school near any of us, that's why I think people are resonating. Not b/c of their faces and names and words, but just that any of our schools could get shot to hell. You can call that emotional nonsense, and in a Mr. Spock sort of way, that is correct. They are definitely not studied on gun policy necessarily, not yet. My friends from the Sandy Hook area are intelligent and studied to the gills now, so their view carries a lot of weight to me. People who deeply understand the effects of the wrong end of a high-capacity semi-automatic should share their stories. If your point is that these kids shouldn't get a microphone, who is to say who gets a microphone? This country is obviously terrible when it comes to deciding who gets the mic. Seriously. I would think everyone in the nation agrees on one thing, for example: it was the wrong thing to give one or both of our present and most recent presidents a microphone to ever say anything. (2) I can't take "gun confiscation agenda" seriously. Sorry. I'm a liberal and I live in the stinky bleeding heart of liberal America right now, and I honestly don't know many people who would like to confiscate guns. Yes, there are a couple of people who would be okay with a police state taking some of the high capacity items. However, the organized movement and the great majority of the left wants some common sense middle ground. (3) Yeah, see, no. That's just one high school kid and his in-the-moment rhetoric. I don't think the throngs who marched today want to take your guns. We can agree to disagree. Cheers.
The reason the mainstream media ignores the gun confiscation agenda is because it is almost non-existent. Why is Fox covering something with almost zero support even amongst hardcore liberals?
The issue with this nonsense is that it intermingles general gun violence with mass shooting violence. This is one of the primary reasons we can never get reasonable legislation passed. If your position is to stop mass shooting violence, (which is a fraction of the actual gun deaths in america) then yes, outlawing semi automatic weapons and/or banning/collecting 'assault weapons' is the answer. If your position is to stop gun violence in general, which includes, accidental deaths, negligent deaths, suicides, ect ..., that is a complete different approach and has very little to do with 'assault weapons' and high capacity weapons. Its much easier to blame Trump/Republicans/NRA or liberals than to actually deal with the true issue at hand. The real issue is responsible gun ownership vs the 2nd amendment.
Are we supposed to be shocked, upset, or troubled by the Rubio picture you posted? I don't understand what reaction you think folks would have from seeing that.
Those kids showed up in YUGE numbers. what's so bad about the rubio poster. The language? "Ufck that!" <<the president said that just 4 days ago. Not the president's intern straight out of college but the presidente. the kid killer hashtag? the own administration released "Blood is on your hands" after an undocumented immigrant ran over a person. The Nra hashtag? well, they haven't proven to be otherwise The killings did happen on Ash Wednesday. For Ash wednesday catholics walk around with a cross on their forehead from ashes made from the previous year's palms. "You are dust." Can you believe Ash vs evil dead is in season 3 has begun and no one is talking about it? It's so violent.
Wow, they really took that quote out of context. He said he wished no one knew their names because that would mean their friends were alive.
I posted the entire quote. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php...-at-least-5-dead.272038/page-34#post-11651011 And oh by the way, he lied about the press ignoring the Marjory Douglas High Story and Gaskill. But lying is never a surprise from the NRA.
