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Anyone getting in line for Tesla Model 3?

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I saw one on the road a few weeks back in Austin.

Still think they look weird.

#621 JayZ750, Feb 22, 2018

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Non Tesla owners are getting their Model 3 configuration invites today. Anyone here get theirs?
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nope. Anyone else thinking about canceling theirs though?

#622 donkeypunch, Feb 22, 2018
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Just got my email. Was very bittersweet; I could get one delivered in 3-6 weeks if I upgraded the battery and added the premium package for a total of $49k or "hold my place" for a much of the same waiting game for a standard version in late '18. There is going to be dual motor option available in mid '18 though.

#623 donkeypunch, Mar 23, 2018
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I'm probably not car shopping for another 5 years (when my oldest turns 16), but I'm really feeling my next car will be a Tesla. Definitely wanting a car with autopilot.

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I'm probably not car shopping for another 5 years (when my oldest turns 16), but I'm really feeling my next car will be a Tesla. Definitely wanting a car with autopilot.
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In 5 short years Teslas will have autopilot WHILE being able to hover.

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peleincubus said: ↑

In 5 short years Teslas will have autopilot WHILE being able to hover.
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Dont forget, a standard executive robotic chef, that will cook you any meal on the way home from work.

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donkeypunch said: ↑

Dont forget, a standard executive robotic chef, that will cook you any meal on the way home from work.
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And a D sucking/bean flicking mechanism.

#627 theimpossibles1, Mar 23, 2018

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And a D sucking/bean flicking mechanism.
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Havent read about this feature yet but surely itll cost extra. A fee Im willing to pay with no hesitation.

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Nope. Not getting in line. They have years to go before they can get their quality up. Too new of a car maker for me to spend 50K on.

#629 Sajan, Mar 23, 2018
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Nope. Not getting in line. They have years to go before they can get their quality up. Too new of a car maker for me to spend 50K on.
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You can wait as long as you want, but Tesla Model S is as "quality" a car as any out there lol

#630 R0ckets03, Mar 23, 2018
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R0ckets03 said: ↑

You can wait as long as you want, but Tesla Model S is as "quality" a car as any out there lol
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Not trying to argue but the general consensus from owners seem to be they LOVE the car but it's not because of how well it's made.

#631 Sajan, Mar 23, 2018
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I am thinking about a Model X. Have rented it a few times and like it.

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Not trying to argue but the general consensus from owners seem to be they LOVE the car but it's not because of how well it's made.

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I'm sure you can find a video like that on Benz, BMW, Lexus or any luxury car out there.

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R0ckets03 said: ↑

I'm sure you can find a video like that on Benz, BMW, Lexus or any luxury car out there.
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Maybe, but this is definitely a knock on Tesla. Brand new, they look and feel amazing, but after 15-20 thousand miles, the lack of quality begins showing up. They just haven't figured out the stuff that the other car manufactures had 100 years to figure out yet. A used Tesla with 40,000 miles feels like it has double that on the interior.

Even Tesla fans will tell you this.

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Maybe, but this is definitely a knock on Tesla. Brand new, they look and feel amazing, but after 15-20 thousand miles, the lack of quality begins showing up. They just haven't figured out the stuff that the other car manufacturers had 100 years to figure out yet. A used Tesla with 40,000 miles feels like it has double that on the interior.

Even Tesla fans will tell you this.
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This. That's what I was trying to convey. They are a new company. They can barely make enough cars on time. Rich people don't care about these issues. They will just deal with it for a little bit and get something else. If they did, you think all these people would drive range rovers (one of the least reliable cars out there)?
but if you save up money to get a telsa, you might be a little disappointed with the quality. that's all.

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Supermac34 said: ↑

Maybe, but this is definitely a knock on Tesla. Brand new, they look and feel amazing, but after 15-20 thousand miles, the lack of quality begins showing up. They just haven't figured out the stuff that the other car manufactures had 100 years to figure out yet. A used Tesla with 40,000 miles feels like it has double that on the interior.

Even Tesla fans will tell you this.
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I'm genuinely curious about this. Never heard that before about Tesla cars. What things about Tesla cars decline after the first couple years?

#636 Duncan McDonuts, Mar 25, 2018
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Anyone else get their car in? Auto pilot is saving my life in Houston traffic.

This car is effin amazing and KILLS any comparable car in its class. Not even close imo.

I'm in a FB group with very early adopters. No complaints about interior issues.. just about the door handles on the S. They all love their cars still and many of them do things like the XPEL clear wrap or liquid ceramic coatings.. i.e. they care about their cars so I would have heard by now.

Also, for the couple that mentioned how other auto makers have a 100 year head start. I’ve been thinking the opposite.. it’s embarrassing how behind other auto makers are of Tesla

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Btw, I switched my electricity provider to Just Energy.

Free electricity from 9 PM - 7 AM so I am seeing 100% gas savings. #winning

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lots of model 3 articles lately. This is interesting

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...-s-model-3-became-elon-musk-s-version-of-hell

On July 1, Elon Musk went home to sleep. The chief executive of Tesla Inc. had been camping out at his electric car factory in Fremont, Calif., for much of the past week. He’d been sleeping on a couch, or under a desk, as part of a companywide push to get out of what he calls “production hell” by manufacturing at least 5,000 of Tesla’s new Model 3 sedans in a week. “I was wearing the same clothes for five days,” Musk says in an interview with Bloomberg Businessweek. “My credibility, the credibility of the whole team,” was at stake.

Musk initially promised as many as 200,000 Model 3s by the end of 2017. To get there he planned an unprecedented investment in factory robots, calling the production line “the machine that builds the machine.” He’d said it would look like “alien dreadnought”—a manufacturing process so futuristic, unstoppable, and cost-effective that it would seem extraterrestrial.
It hasn’t worked out that way. Tesla ended 2017 having made not quite 2,700 Model 3s. As of the end of June it had turned out about 41,000, and some analysts express doubts about whether it will ever be able to show a profit on the car, and Tesla hasn’t even started selling the $35,000 base model.

Making matters worse, Tesla has $10 billion in debt and suffered a credit downgrade in March. It’s spent about a billion dollars more per quarter, on average, than it has taken in over the past year, and the cost of a recently announced factory in China is still unknown. Tesla is running out of cash at a time when competition is heating up—Volkswagen, BMW, Daimler, and others plan to release dozens of electric car models.

In early June, at Tesla’s annual meeting, Musk tried to project calm, but at times seemed close to tears. “This is like—I tell you—the most excruciatingly hellish several months that I have ever had,” he said, before noting that Tesla’s assembly lines were being further upgraded, making the company “very likely” to hit the weekly goal of 5,000. He also revealed he’d asked employees to build a third general assembly line that would be “dramatically better than Lines 1 and 2.” That sounded even more alien-dreadnoughty.

A week later, Musk posted a picture of the new facility on Twitter. There were no fancy robotic systems, nor fixed walls, even—just a large tent outside the factory built from scrap from the other lines. The automotive world winced. “Insanity,” said Max Warburton, an analyst with Sanford C. Bernstein & Co., in an email to Bloomberg News. “I don’t think anyone’s seen anything like this outside of the military trying to service vehicles in a war zone.”

The tent sufficed. “I think we just became a real car company,” Musk wrote in a July 1 email to employees announcing that Tesla had made 5,031 Model 3s the previous week. Even so, it’s unclear whether Musk has put Tesla on a path to lasting greatness or just staved off collapse. The company is the most shorted U.S. stock, and a higher percentage of Wall Street analysts give TSLA a sell rating than for all but one stock on the S&P 500. The story of Tesla’s sprint to release the Model 3, based on interviews with 20 members of Tesla’s design and engineering teams, suppliers, and dozens of current and former workers, is a case study in brilliant design and unbelievable hubris.

The prize for Musk is enormous: If he gets the Model 3 right, he will remake a trillion-dollar industry and do more to reduce carbon emissions than any person on the planet. But it may turn out that mass-producing cars is the one challenge that simply defies him.
In early 2015, Musk convened a meeting of his top engineers in a windowless conference room at the factory. There were 12 people, including experts in batteries, design, chassis, interiors, body, drive systems, safety, and thermodynamics. Musk, who did not attend himself, had gathered them to figure out what the Model 3 would be.

Over the course of the meeting, the engineers filled a whiteboard with dozens of requirements, including a range of at least 200 miles and an affordable price. The last of these criteria made the project especially daunting. Even scarier, Tesla would begin selling it in mid-2017, giving the company 2 ½ years to design, test, and build a new vehicle, compared with about five years at a traditional automaker.

Creating a low-cost electric car is about maximizing range in every possible way. For instance, Tesla’s designers added plastic covers, costing $1.50 each, to hide four pads on the underside of the car where a jack goes. The decision reduced wind resistance and improved the car’s range by 3 miles. They also opted for four-piston monoblock caliper brakes, which are usually reserved for more expensive cars. But since the brakes are lightweight, they lower the car’s battery requirements and overall cost. “Every single decision like that was put back into the context of an electric car,” says Doug Field, a former Apple vice president Musk recruited as a top engineer in 2013. In other words, electric cars require new ways of thinking about cost and performance.

Musk decreed that the Model 3 would have a single central screen for all controls and information, which would both cut costs and allow Tesla to push the front seats forward to allow for more rear legroom. Tesla’s design chief, Franz von Holzhausen, spent the 2015 Christmas holiday figuring out how to design a car interior without a traditional dashboard.

Musk declared he didn’t want visible air vents. “I don’t want to see any holes,” von Holzhausen recalls him saying. Von Holzhausen paired engineer Joseph Mardall with designer Peter Blades to figure that one out. Blades’s sketch called for a recessed gap across the entire width of the car from which the air would flow, with a long strip of wood instead of the dash. Mardall pointed out that to make the approach work, the entire ventilation system would need to be redesigned. “Are we serious about this?” he recalls asking.

Musk was serious, but a second problem soon appeared: The wooden strip, just below the air gap, worked like an airplane wing, sucking cold air down and shooting it into the driver’s lap. Mardall, an aerodynamics specialist, proposed adding a second, hidden gap from which air would shoot straight up, lifting the main blast of cold air above the piece of wood and away from the driver’s crotch. “It was one of those eureka moments,” Blades recalls, still in awe of the elegance of the solution. “The spine still tingles.”

The system Blades and Mardall designed combines all the components of a standard HVAC system into a single basketball-size glob of molded plastic tucked under the hood, which Tesla calls the Superbottle. The glob is stamped with a logo of a bottle wearing a superhero cape.
Blades and Mardall relay all this with pride. “I had to negotiate with my wife: I’m going to do seven days a week for the next half-year,” Blades recalls. “And that’s not just me—everybody’s wives or partners—it’s just part of the story of Tesla. At this company if you don’t ask those silly questions and ask to do something crazy, then it’s not really the right place for you.”

If such loyalty seems extreme, it’s partly the result of Musk’s reputation for defying odds (and, some would say, common sense). He was mocked in 2002 when, as a 31-year-old software entrepreneur with no aerospace training, he founded SpaceX. It now launches more rockets a year than any other company.

Mass-producing a car isn’t rocket science; in some ways, it’s harder. Rockets can essentially be built and checked by hand; a perfect car must come off the production line every minute or so if you have any prayer of keeping pace with the world’s leading manufacturers. Cars are composed of tens of thousands of individual parts and have to withstand snow, potholes, and highway speeds, performing flawlessly for years. They are the largest purchase most people make besides a home, and they’re also heavily regulated lethal weapons that contribute to more than a million deaths each year.

At a typical plant run by Toyota Motor Corp., widely seen as the most capable carmaker, a new car requires about 30 hours of labor. Even with all the robots, Tesla spends more than three times that number of hours on each car, says Michelle Hill, a manufacturing expert at management consulting firm Oliver Wyman. And Toyota would never, as Musk has, try a new manufacturing system and all-new workforce on a never-before-built car. Successful carmaking is “the orchestration of so many things that have to play together in unison,” she says.
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More here

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...-s-model-3-became-elon-musk-s-version-of-hell

#639 ferrari77, Jul 18, 2018
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I'm sure you can find a video like that on Benz, BMW, Lexus or any luxury car out there.
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Lexus is on a different level in quality than a bmw, benz, audi, or tesla. They don't build cars designed to breakdown. They also make their cars easier to fix. They aren't routing cable like crazy.

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