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Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

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  1. pirc1

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    If there are Russian trolls, I would like them all to be like this one.

    A suspected Russian troll in the U.S. tries to erase her past

    http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/01/media/suspected-russian-troll-in-us/index.html

    For years, Agata Burdonova had shared nearly every aspect of her life online. That lasted until this past weekend, when a Russian TV news channel outed her as a former employee of a Russian troll factory now living in a suburb of Seattle.
    Now Burdonova, 31, appears to be in hiding, and trying to erase her past links to the troll factory.


    RAIN-TV, an independent Russian news channel says it confirmed through former employees of the Internet Research Agency, that Burdonova worked at the Internet Research Agency in St. Petersburg, Russia— a subject of the U.S. investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

    It turns out the best source of all is Burdonova herself and her seeming willingness to post everything about her life online. Her LinkedIn account listed her as working from 2014 to 2015 at Mix Info, a company that the recent indictment from Special Counsel Robert Mueller's office alleges was one of several fronts that the Internet Research Agency used to obscure its conduct.

    Burdonova's English language skills and employment at the Internet Research Agency coincide almost exactly with some of the operations spelled out in the Special Counsel's indictment.

    Related: How the Russians did it

    Though Burdonova is not accused of any crime, nor listed in the indictment, the description of her work mirrors the type of activities outlined by U.S. prosecutors.

    According to the indictment, in April 2014, the Internet Research Agency set up an effort that it sometimes referred to internally as the"translator project."

    The initiative "focused on the U.S. population and conducted operations on social media platforms such as YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter."

    It was the early stages of a scheme that would eventually run for years and cost millions, involving the creation of fake accounts and personas designed to look like they were run by real American activists pushing messages on divisive issues including race, religion, and politics.

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    Burdova posted a selfie online after moving into a new apartment in Washington state earlier this year.
    IRA documents obtained by Mueller's office say, according to the indictment, that one of the IRA's objectives was to conduct "information warfare against the United States of America."

    According to her LinkedIn account, Burdonova began working as an "Informational Department Specialist" at Mix Info in July 2014, just a few months after the "translator project" came into being.

    The description her LinkedIn account gave of her work there included "translating" between Russian and English, managing social media accounts, and copywriting on topics that included news, history, culture and economics.

    Erasing her past

    This week, as reporters swirled around her apartment building in a Seattle suburb, public parts of Burdonova's past were being erased. References to her employment at Mix-Info disappeared from her LinkedIn account. And a YouTube video detailing her new life in the United States was taken down.

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    Burdova and her husband live in an apartment block in a Seattle suburb
    But her voluminous blog posts and social media presence had already made her life an open book. CNN translated some of her blog posts into English and found Burdonova left Saint Petersburg in the fall of 2015 to live with her boyfriend, Dmitry Fyodorov, in Belarus.

    The couple got married, and in December 2017 moved to the U.S. after Fyodorov was offered a job with a gaming company in Redmond, Washington.

    Burdonova and her husband apparently have no car. She walks everywhere, and up until her link to the Internet Research agency was revealed, she would occasionally post her walks on social media.

    She appeared to be having fun, a Russian who made it to America, wearing a bright red coat, filming herself walking the streets near her apartment and posting to her 400 or so followers on the Russian social media site VK about the marvels of life in the United States.

    She posted videos with a light tone, and seemed fascinated by the way traffic lights worked in the U.S.: "It doesn't change the light until you press the button."

    One of the walks she posted earlier this year included her trip to a local Social Security Administration office, which may have led to her downfall. Burdonova walked to the building with her completed application in hand, holding it up to her cell phone camera so viewers in Russia could see how easy it was to apply for a Social Security card. "This is what it looks like," she says to the camera. "Just place of birth, where you live...you don't even need your passport." The document contained her exact address, phone number and other personal information. Burdonova held the document close enough to her cell phone camera for viewers to see all the details.

    The video had been taken down by Tuesday, but the damage was done.

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    On his way home, Dmitry Fyodorov told CNN his wife has been harassed online, and reporters have been calling non-stop. He insists neither of them will talk. And he refused to speak about his wife's employment at the troll factory.
    On his way home, Dmitry Fyodorov told CNN his wife has been harassed online, and reporters have been calling non-stop. He insists neither of them will talk. And he would not agree to an interview about his wife's employment at the troll factory.

    A few weeks earlier, in a corner of her then-unfurnished apartment, using a windowsill to hold her cell phone camera, Agata Burdonova was telling her followers on YouTube about all the fun episodes she was planning. She would show them her apartment once it was decorated. She would take them on her travels through the United States. And she would point out the great things -- and the not-so-great things -- about life in the U.S. Her life would be an open book.

    Now that she has been outed as a suspected former Russian internet troll, Burdonova seems no longer interested in sharing much of anything.

    Monday night, Burdonova herself sent CNN a text refusing even to meet off-the-record for coffee. "Don't waste your time, I am not speaking to any journalist."

    -- CNN's Mary Ilyushina contributed reporting.
     
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    fascinating -- thx for sharing. Of course there are trolls among us.
    People are underemployed. It's clear -- I claim even on this BBS -- that a handful of people are compensated for their posting.

    Hey, I used to write multiple choice math problems for ETS for easy money on the side, so who am I to talk? I was a shameless math troll. :oops:
     
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  3. NewRoxFan

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    Mueller doing the work...

     
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    In addition to the president, the subpoena seeks documents that have anything to do with these current and former Trump associates:

    • Steve Bannon, who left the White House as chief strategist in August.
    • Michael Cohen, a personal lawyer for Trump who testified before congressional investigators in October.
    • Rick Gates, Trump's former deputy campaign manager, who pleaded guilty last month to conspiracy and lying to the FBI.
    • Hope Hicks, who resigned last week as Trump's communications director.
    • Corey Lewandowski, Trump's campaign manager until June 2016.
    • Paul Manafort, a former Trump campaign manager and Gates' business partner, who pleaded not guilty to money laundering, conspiracy and making false statements last week.
    • Carter Page, a former Trump campaign aide.
    • Keith Schiller, a former bodyguard for Trump who left as director of Oval Office operations in September.
    • Roger Stone, a longtime Republican political operative and Trump campaign adviser who sources have told NBC News is the focus of investigators interested in his contacts with WikiLeaks during the campaign.
    Once Hicks' resignation takes effect in the next few weeks, Cohen will be the only person listed in the subpoena who hasn't left the employment of Trump or of the White House.
     
  6. peleincubus

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    Why subpoena if you have zero contact between USSR and Trump??
     
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    This latest report is an example of a prosecutor doing an evidence cross reference.

    Mueller already has something here or he wouldn't do this. What he's doing is correlating communications to overlap what he already has, and this is absolutely a catch for anyone here that might obstruct justice by doctoring or destroying emails as well as giving him more broad context on communications.

    If you are say... Roger Stone... and Mueller Subpoenas you for emails between the date range of 6/16 and 9/16, you can just assume that Mueller already has copies of emails from you in that range he's gotten from other witnesses, and he's looking for your communications around that email thread and exchange of information.

    Also- The way they subpoena emails now through the FBI is very thorough. What they get is access to the email system through the court order. They can find anything you delete unless you go the Hillary route. If they used Gmail, Yahoo, or a government server.. they are F-ed. Also apps used for encrypted texts.... yeah they can decrypt those texts in two seconds.

    ............

    All the evidence we have here on our end shows Mueller being VERY aggressive now regarding "Collusion" but I want to caution that it doesn't mean that he is going to be bringing "Conspiracy" charges.

    Its just sad that we are at a place where if its not technically breaking the law, they 40% of the country still loves this guy enough to give him a pass 8 days a week. Regardless, there should be outrage in this country that our president or even a presidential candidate would seek the help of a hostile foreign power for political gain.

    If you still support this man, you have the right to do so, but you no longer deserve the right to declare patriotism. You gave that up a long time ago for what you believe to be self serving policy.
     
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    Time to fire Mueller I guess.
     
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    trump and his people discussing Mueller...

     
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    The noose is tightening

    you really think so?

    you think trump end game is to use technicality of ' not breaking the law' ?

    Trump likes to say "no collusion"
     
  13. pirc1

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    He is more likely to say it is all Jr and Jared etc, he doesn't know a thing about it.
     
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    trump and his lawyers have already floated out the "even if trump colluded its not a crime defense":

    Trump lawyer: Collusion is not a crime
    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/362929-trump-lawyer-collusion-is-not-a-crime

    Trump: Even if there was collusion with Russia, 'it’s not a crime'
    http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ere-was-collusion-with-russia-its-not-a-crime

    Won't matter... it looks like Mueller is building a bigger case including obstruction of justice, financial crimes (money laundering, emolument violations) and even criminal conspiracy.
     
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    Would not matter if Democrat does not take back house, GOP will just stall for two years.
     
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    He is going right down the checklist isn't he?
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    “I watched Alan Dershowitz the other day, he said, No. 1, there is no collusion, No. 2, collusion is not a crime, but even if it was a crime, there was no collusion,” Trump told the newspaper. “And he said that very strongly. He said there was no collusion. And he has studied this thing very closely. I’ve seen him a number of times.”

    “There is no collusion, and even if there was, it’s not a crime,” he continued. “But there’s no collusion.”
     
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    Yeah, I do. Probably on both sides, if at all.

    But just watch when we get closer to midterm elections. Some people will be posting the party line and starting more threads, even if they look repetitious, and you'll be like, "why does that dude start a new thread with that provocative biased title, when there's already clearly a thread for this?" and about the only answers are: severe trolling as pastime or ... $.

    Clearly, I think RussiasLegend in on the take, or taking orders. No telling what the real human in there really thinks or cares about. No US politics though. I really used to think basso was getting a little $, even though I think he was sincerely representing his views. He disappeared (in this paranoid model of mine) when a contract ran out. I mean, I don't even say this as an insult. If someone paid me per post or thread to cover topics I cared about on a BBS I really like, who's to say I wouldn't do it? ... who's to say... that I'm not doing it already. <Mr Burns fingers>

    CF is not a trivial # of views, but what do I know. I could easily be craycray on this topic.
     
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    Trump only hires .. the best ... the brightest ...





     
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    Former Trump aide Sam Nunberg called before grand jury, says he will refuse to go

    Former Trump aide Sam Nunberg said Monday that he has been subpoenaed to appear in front of a federal grand jury investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election but that he will refuse to go.

    In an interview with The Washington Post, Nunberg said he was asked to come to Washington to appear before the grand jury on Friday. He also provided a copy of what appears to be his two-page grand jury subpoena seeking documents related to President Trump and nine other people, including emails, correspondence, invoices, telephone logs, calendars and “records of any kind.”



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...c9f29a55815_story.html?utm_term=.5673c1b3fdcb
     
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