Democrats wanna address gun control, address Chicago

https://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/chicago-gun-trace-report-2017-454016983.html

It is a fairly well known fact within Chicago. Indeed it was one of the facts used by those that wanted greater access to guns by citizens before the Supreme Court stepped in.

 

They come from everywhere, not just Indiana as implied by the previous poster. If a gun can legally be purchased in the city, then its just as likely to come from there.

 

Democrats in Chicago could certainly do a better job of representing the poor and minorities within the city. The reality is that the city has a very long history of segregation and racism. However it is a very complicated issue, and you have multi generational poverty and sectionalism in the city that can only be helped with the cooperation of voters and the reality is that most voters in Chicago do not care and believe it is helpless.

 

20% come from Indiana. 60% come from states other than Illinois. Within Illinois almost all come from a handful of gun shops.

It is very striking, even more so than I expected.

 

I agree there should be more cops on the street and that there should be way fewer guns on the street so some limitations on guns especially assault weapons are needed. if those are the solutions you also favor it appears we are all in agreement. So I reckon we can close this thread now?

 

Why couldn't they do it like New York, I remember at one time New York was just as bad.

 

If you support policies that keep people uneducated, impoverished, and surrounded by guns, don't be shocked when they start shooting each other.

 

Chicago is an incredibly relevant example. Thinking you can simply "take guns away from the people" is truly insane.

There are over 300 million guns in the US. The criminals will always find them, even if they're prohibited...

 

What is broken homes?

Clinton has it easier. There were more support for stricter gun laws back in the Clinton's years. It has sagged since, but is now again moving back to that level, if not higher.

 

Single parent vs. two parent homes are the #1 predictor in terms of the economic success of the children.

That being said, just saying "hey you poor people, stop getting divorced" or "hey you poor people, stop having kids out of wedlock" is not an answer.

Breaking the poverty cycle is difficult. It requires outside forces to act upon it and investment in communal structures that can put a shoulder to the perpetually spinning wheel of ignorance and suffering.

This is also known as dirty, dirty socialism.

 

You're getting hammered on this thread.

I'll pile on!!!

Scientific studies have show owning guns doesn't increase your safety. In fact in some studies it has shown the opposite.

Here's what the studies have shown on the whole:
- There is a correlation among states with lax gun laws and high gun deaths per capita, and among counties with lax gun laws

http://lawcenter.giffords.org/scorecard/

http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/early/2014/04/16/injuryprev-2014-041187.full

http://www.cjcj.org/uploads/cjcj/documents/jpj_firearm_ownership.pdf

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/bc6f/104b5b658796ce6b7ca1e1afe8caeb55ff6b.pdf

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiK1aeDj9bZAhVJd6wKHSH2BncQFghhMAQ&url=https://www.citylab.com/equity/2013/03/striking-relationship-between-gun-safety-laws-and-firearm-deaths/4902/&usg=AOvVaw1e3mPl6Fhaf3RMrvdJHFmE

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&hl=en-us&ei=O06aWt7VLay2ggfG5IGwBg&q=gun+death+rates+by+state+vs+gun+laws&oq=gun+death+rates+by+state+vs+gun+laws&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.12...0.0..245094...0....0.0.............mobile-gws-wiz-serp.D40GYqEn0Bw=

- There's is a correlation among comparable first world countries between gun ownership and gun death and homicide rates:
https://academic.oup.com/epirev/article/38/1/140/2754868

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20571454

- More guns does not lead to less crime
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/01/good_guy_with_a_gun_myth_guns_increase_the_risk_of_homicide_accidents_suicide.html

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I remain amazed that this conversation continues to happen over and over again, not just in this forum, but nationwide.

Admittedly, there's not enough unbiased scientific data on gun laws and gun violence, crime, assaults and deaths... but then again, you can probably thank the Dickey Amendment from that, which prevented the CDC from doing further research in that area, which was effectively "driven" by the NRA.

But even with that, VERY SIMPLE googling ALWAYS leads you to the same results here, both from CLEARLY unbiased sources - scientific journals - or from press releases, interviews, newspaper stories, which often source the scientific studies. You'd have to dig to find results that say the opposite.

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If you want to have a useful conversation about the specific problems in Chicago. Ok, that's fine. Go for it.

I think most intelligent people would happily tell you that it is indeed, typically, criminals that are committing crimes... lol... and criminals themselves aren't just springing up randomly anywhere where there might be more guns just because they can. There's lots of factors at play, and access to guns might not even be the biggest factor... who knows??

But it's CLEARLY A factor.... the data proves that out.

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I don't know what happened. I don't want to sound disrespectful to PGabs, but it's freakin' weird and doesn't add up, not based on the fellow I've read for years. He's certainly welcome to his opinions. Perhaps he had some kind of "revelation," like some Christians claim to have (and they are welcome to them!), but rather in a political way, which is also weird.

I've had essentially the same political beliefs for decades, but what do I know. People like me don't change their spots because of a lunatic conman who considers the truth a very bendable and breakable inconvenience, views the law the same way, and who can't spell morality, much less practice any kind of morality himself. Many of us deeply care that our democratic system was under assault in 2016 by a hostile foreign power, and that the attacks haven't stopped. That virtually every intelligence entity in this country has said it happened and is still happening. That the person in the White House has done nothing about it, attacking our friends and allies (exactly what trump's sudden tariff tweets amount to), while maintaining a stunning silence regarding Putin's outrageous behavior.

I don't consider Pgabriel a "troll," like maybe a half dozen people here, who tend to start threads on a whim so they can copy and paste whatever BS they can find on Brietbart and Fox "News." Truly quite an "effort" on their part. I would suggest that you read D&D more, so you can get a better sense of just how dishonest some of the far-right trolls are here, but the place can be one of the biggest "time wasters" at ClutchFans. Some of us here write paragraphs about a political topic, attempting explain and enlighten the trolls, as if it matters, as if they actually pay attention, and get a one liner in response. That's happened to me over and over again, as well as several others wth more patience than I have after reading months of mistruths and outright lies in "Defense of trump," and they all claim not to have voted for him. My ignore list has really grown since November of 2016. Maybe you can figure out what's going on. Hey, good luck, rockbox!

 

I see the far left extremists are still pushing the same nonsense as the last time I saw this thread....SMH There's just nothing that will get through to some of the more ate up individuals among the authoritarian left.

 

You can highlight it by selecting it and read it better.

 

He is buddies with Mr. Meowgi and let him take over the account.