total gun ban excluding hunting/recreational would be perfectly fine with me. not having a ban would also be totally fine with me. again, i don't own a single gun and i'm not a gun lover so i could care less. i've already said that owning whatever the hell you want is fine but that doesn't have to mean you have the right to store at home or in your car. i'm on the record proposing keeping assault style rifles legal but requiring them to be stored and used off-site at a gun range for example. if you need to "transfer" or "move" the assault style weapon&ammo you have to file paper to check out/check in so LEOs know what's on the street. we unconsciously do it with other "fun" recreational things and don't have any issues with it. boating, snow skiing, skateboarding, sports, we do them all but at specific locations. sure i could be a ramp in my backyard but i would need a local permit for that typically. we've also got livestock laws based on amount of land, etc... and nobody seems to mind those type of rules/laws. i don't view gun recreation any different. i don't think it would ever happen but seems logical to me. inevitable could be a long long time that's why i proposed earlier in this thread to go for teeny tiny "wins" like banning bump stocks (which could happen this year) to prove gun reform at any level can work and build teeny tiny bits of momentum. After that, look towards background check processing improvements. After that, work with States to improve record keeping and sharing. After that, etc... What won't work is fervor pitch wide-eyed marches on Washington demanding gun bans. That just makes the other side dig in for the fight and undermines serious conversations about gun regulation and puts any bi-partisan quick win in jeopardy. I've said many times, the left has a bad habit of undermining themselves hurting the rest of us in the process.
Ok But then how are you going keep the numbers low? What do other countries do that the States don't? Since the States leads the modern world in mass shooting?
The reasons for mass shootings are rooted in the culture here, so long as we keep producing people with a desire to harm others, it'll keep happening. Really the only thing you can do is try to protect preferred targets in order to minimize damage.
But how is it different than Canada since they are the closest country to the US in geography and in culture? I find the culture excuse is a cop out that produces no solutions just the status quo. Oh "lets just add more security"
The demographic makeup of the US is pretty drastically different than in Canada and Canada and the US have pretty drastically different histories. As such, you get different cultures. I mean, if the US and Canada had the same culture, Hockey and curling would be big deals here. The culture explanation isn't a "cop out", it's the real reason for it and it's funny that you seem to think nonsense like gun bans are "solutions" despite the fact that they have been tried in the not too distant past and they failed while increased security is a proven solution. It just shows you how backwards this kind of conversation gets. If you look at schools today, they aren't significantly more secure now than they were when the Columbine shooting happened....is there another situation where attacks could happen and security not be increased as a result? It seems like in this country we'll protect anything except our children....that's where we draw the line. Pretty crazy.
What no sense gun bans are you talking about? Also how did gun bans fail in the past? Also I mentioned about culture becuase of the presidents comments on video games, music videos, etc. The same games and music that are in canada aswell.
And all over the world. It's not like GTA is only sold exclusively in the USA. Movies aren't only shown in the USA. Music isn't only played in the USA. Our tv shows might be mostly exclusive to the US but eventually are distributed around the world. This nonsense that it's the fault of bad entertainment choices is nothing short of an idiotic bulls*** copout. One of many bobby keeps spouting in his circular logic. All of the stupid excuses the right makes just ignores one of the major differences between the US and the rest of the world. Our incredibly easy access to weapons designed to murder as many people as possible.
I've been over this several times, in the early 90's we had people making the exact same case that people are making now and it resulted in a decade long assault weapons ban that effectively did nothing. Now we're having people go on about how the solution is to go back with that policy that did nothing.... To be clear, when I talk about culture, I'm not saying that video games, movies, or music are what influence people to kill others. IMO that's incredibly short sighted and foolish. The art that is produced is a reflection of the culture, not the other way around.
Sure, but you are assuming causation where the facts don't support that assumption. If there was a causal link between the ban and mass shootings the numbers would have decreased during that ban, they didn't. You could also say that terrorism related deaths by airplane skyrocketed during the ban and that would be factually true as well however irrelevant.
I did read it. There have been 23 mass shootings involving 10 or more dead in American history. How many happened before, after and during the assault weapons ban?
Then you know that you asked a stupid question that was answered in the post you read. Glad we're on the same page.
Well, it was a stupid question in that the answer was in the comment you were responding to. As to your "follow up question" it's not really worth my time in that you can find a cherry picked statistic to "prove" anything. I could say "How many attacks on schools that killed over 40 people happened before the assault weapon ban? How many happened after it?"
I didn't even look it up because it's irrelevant, I assume that since you cherry picked those numbers they possibly support your narrative...but of course it doesn't really matter. Like I said earlier, if there was a causal link between the gun ban and incidence of mass shootings then the rate would have gone down during the ban, it didn't. Again, the plane related terrorism homicides skyrocketed during the ban but that doesn't mean that the ban caused those numbers to skyrocket.....you see what I'm getting at?
Ok lets use six people than instead of 10 So unlike you I actually posted Statistics. Funny you call my question dumb. Well look here what you posted is not true. So again how was it a dumb question when I said "where is the facts?". BTW there was a reason why I asked that question in the first place because I knew what your response would be. You are making it too easy. I look forward to your answer.
