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School shooting - at least 5 dead

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    It is in response to what the NRA leadership said.

    Honestly the NRA is a controversial organization to begin with, not sure why companies would want to offer benefits to NRA members and risk alienating a good chunk of consumers. It is like I would find it odd if a car rental place offered a discount to Planned Parenthood members.
     
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    Well, it took a bunch of high schoolers to effect changes regarding firearms, at least at the state level. Props to them. Some of these laws allowing just about anybody age 18 or older to purchase guns are just plain ridiculous.

    At the federal level, nothing will change until 2020. The NRA has bought and paid for the GOPers.

    As a gun owner, I am perfectly fine owning a 9 mm. Don't need a semi rifle or bazooka to defend my home.
     
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    The nra is nothing more than a paid mouthpiece of the gun industry. Tax free and all. Some gun manufacturers give a fix % of their sales directly to the nra. It has become a disgusting organization, and is no longer what it used to be.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/gun-industry-funds-nra-2013-1
     
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    I'm not sure what constitutes a member of Planned Parenthood so I can't comment (they have members?) but it is like giving discounts to members of AAA. People dislike AAA because of global warming but companies like to offer "discounts" as a way to advertise and the NRA claims these discounts to get more members. Costco discounts are far superior.

    You are using a semi-automatic with a high capacity magazine. You are literally Satan.
     
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    The gun industry is a poorly managed weakling. Remington just announced bankruptcy. The idea their influence and money shapes politics is a farce. The money the NRA gets from the gun industry couldn't cover the pharma and finance lobby's dinner tab.
     
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    2016

    https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=d000000082
     
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    What you said is not wrong. Here is also something not wrong- our health care and drug cost are the best, and its so little it has a chance to bankrupt this country. Just because someone spend more doesn’t mean the lower spender has no impact. Why are candidates scare of the nra? Because they got the fund to negative you to oblivion. Contribution isnt all that they do. There is a thing call attack ads, and the nra has a special low bar that fews feel comfortable reaching.
     
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    I don't even follow the logic of what you said there. Attack ads cost money and NRA is small potatoes.

    Gun rights advocates are powerful because they don't forget and transmogrify into single issue voters overnight. It is why most texas democrats used to be progun.
     
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    The reason you don’t is first, you assumed that i was arguing that $ was the be all. Look back at my post. The nra is a paid mouthpiece and is a disgusting organization, and its no longer what it used to be. It does have strong influence because of its past and the gun culture. $1 it spend by the nra is much more than influential than said $1 spend by the health industry thanks to our gun culture. But over the years, it has become corrupted with the gun industry. A clear example is a position it takes (against universal background check) doesn’t represent gun owners, but gun industry.
     
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    Paid mouthpiece? Obviously, they are paid to speak on behalf of special interests. duh


    disgusting organization? opinion, no support

    $1 it spend by the nra is much more than influential than said $1 spend by the health industry thanks to our gun culture.


    no support, doesn;t make any sense. Everyone pays the same for adbuys


    a position it takes (against universal background check) doesn’t represent gun owners, but gun industry.


    if a firearm is sold without a background check in the usa it is on the secondary market, thus no revenue for industry thus no industry special interest. Statements like these are why I don't follow your logic.
     
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    The NRA spent nearly 60 million dollars pushing candidates that they were aligned with. Hell they spent nearly 7 million dollars on one senate campaign in 2016. That doesn’t even take into account the organizational structure they provide candidates.

    How much money and ads are provided to support candidates that are in favor of stricter run control?

    The NRA is a very powerful organization in Washington and make a huge difference in the races they choose to get involved in.

    I do agree with you that a big part of it is that many gun owners are virtually single issue voters.

    At the end nd of the day, the NRA is playing by the rules and are very good at what they do.
     
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    These voided discounts could be the nail in the coffin for the NRA.

    Maybe the FBI should surveil NRA members before they shoot up these schools.
     
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    They are a single issue civil rights organization. Why would I give them money to support candidates that don't align with me on that single issue?

    That may be the case however comparing the money of the gun industry to other industries it is a total lightweight.
     
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    That wasn’t my point. My point was that there isn’t a strong organized PAC or special interest group that specifically financially cancels out the influence of the NRA. Of course the NRA is going to give money only to candidates that support very liberal gun rights.

    Not sure why you are comparing the NRA to other industries. Within the singular issue of guns the NRA is a massive influence as most of the influence and money they provide isn’t countered.

    The NRA is a very influential group in Washington on the issue of gun rights. However if it really bothers enough people, then they can go form their own counter organization to the NRA and finance candidates that favor stricter gun restrictions.
     
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    Everytown for Gun Safety
    Americans for Responsible Solutions
    Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence
    Mayors Against Legal Guns

    Oprah/Clooney 1 million alone in a week.


    Money on both sides of the issue.


    Plus every talking head on the news in a metro area that is worth a few hundred million in adbuys.
     

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