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School shooting - at least 5 dead

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Jan 22, 2016.

  1. Surfguy

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    It's too bad they are going to let this a-hole get off with life in prison. He deserves to die. I only hope someone does him in prison.
     
  2. AleksandarN

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    Lol then why are you against boon stocks or other regulations on stuff that modify semi automatic weapons into fully automatic weapons?
     
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  3. Bobbythegreat

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    No, I didn't, I accurately told you what it said even if I didn't choose to directly quote it. I hope you can wrap your mind around that concept.

    and I proved to you that the mere number of guns in a country is a fairly irrelevant factor despite what your false narrative was attempting to suggest.

    Even if you look at the numbers within America, if you isolate the gun ownership numbers and gun related murders in the black community, you'll see that the number of guns is much less than the national average and the gun related homicides are much higher than the national average. Less guns, more gun related homicide....wanna know why? The factors that matter don't actually include the number of guns possessed.

    In fact, it's fairly old data (2015), but to put numbers out there, roughly 22 percent of Americans own at least one gun, in the black community that number is 14%, the 18-29 demographic also owns the fewest guns accounting for only 13% of gun owners.....yet in a study done between 2011 and 2013 it showed that he firearm homicide rate among black men aged 20-29 was approximately 89 per 100,000. Fewer guns, more homicide.

    Any way you slice it, the number of guns isn't the key factor when it comes to gun violence.
     
  4. AleksandarN

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    What proof you have that it didn’t? Also one of the reasons why fully automatic weapons were banned was the excessive use of automatic weapons during the gangs of the 30s
     
  5. Surfguy

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    If they wouldn't ban assault rifles after what happened in Vegas, then they never will no matter how many kids die (albeit I believe they were banned for a brief bit a while back; I don't think they will ever be banned again).
     
  6. Bobbythegreat

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    I haven't heard of a "boon stock", but if you are talking about "bump stocks", that allow rapid fire and simulated fully automatic fire, I fully support those being listed as class 1 modification because I'm perfectly fine with having fully automatic weapons classified as class 1 weapons....and the bump stock simulates that.
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    What stopped the murders in the 1930's was the end of the prohibition of alcohol, but even if you want to give credit to the decline in intentional homicide rate from 9.7 per 100,000 in 1934 when prohibition ended to 5.1 a decade later, it still wouldn't answer why that number rose back up to 10.1 in 1974 and continued to rise to 10.7 in 1980...automatic weapons were still banned. As it stands the intentional homicide rate has been on the steady decline ever since it peaked in 1993 (20 years after Roe V Wade) and today the rate sits at 4.8 per 100,000 residents.

    There's a lot of factors that go into gun violence, but number of guns isn't really one of them. Hell just 3% of gun owners in the US own more than 50% of the total guns in this country anyway.
     
  8. AleksandarN

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    Yet congress and nra think other wise. Same as slowing mentally ill having guns and same as terrorists on the watch list. There is a lot that can be done that isn’t because of the 2nd admenment rights crowd. I think of half of the 2nd admenent rights crowd are being manipulated by the nra and big business.
     
  9. Bandwagoner

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    Last entry should be rifle bans
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    Okay. I'm not worried about what the NRA thinks. While I'd personally support listing bump stocks as a class 1 accessory, not doing so isn't going to make a significant difference in the intentional homicide rate. You are free to believe that those who wish to protect their civil liberties from the knee jerk authoritarian crowd are "manipulated by the NRA and big business" if you want, but that's just not likely to be the case. People don't safeguard their civil rights because "big business" tells them to, they do so because Americans on average are more libertarian leaning no matter whether they are on the right or on the left and that's why attacks on civil liberties almost never get anywhere.
     
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    Also something to keep in mind, as of 2015 (the most recent numbers I could find) the US has the lowest intentional homicide rate since 1962 and a lower number than the country saw at any point between 1911 and 1950.

    I know the sensationalism of the media can make people think things are worse than they are, so that perspective is important IMO.
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    One more thing given that I don't expect to see this posted as quickly as the initial fake news was....turns out that the Hispanic kid wasn't a white supremacist after all.


     
  13. CometsWin

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    Never argue with a sociopath.
     
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    I bet you like to listen to Ben Shapiro and Rand Paul
     
  15. AleksandarN

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    You don’t think it has to with the crack on organized crime.
     
  16. AleksandarN

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    Crack down*
     
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    This has been widely reported. He was a Trump supporter who was adopted by white people (only reason I mention that is because you threw in the "Hispanic kid") and recently lost his parents. His racist thoughts were well known among his HS peers.

    You are doing a great job of deflecting from the actual issues, and quoting the 1911-50 homicide rate (with a nod to '62) is incredibly meaningful when discussing our modern USA.
     
  18. peleincubus

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    There is a high possibility that they could eventually be banned. If things continue as they have been. You could potentially have someone(s) kill hundreds of people or even a 1000 with guns in the right situation. Or perhaps something happens at a large event of some kind. Who knows what some crazy person could potentially think of and plan out.
     
  19. AleksandarN

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    Perhaps it could be a person from a watch list or something. If it does happen then anyone who voted no to the vote should resign immediately. I am talking to you Paul Ryan
     
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    Hell. I'm surprised at this point someone has not live streamed it with a camera or something. Imagine if people saw little children being shot in a video and it was available on the internet.

    I remember actually crying after the school shooting in Connecticut. After this most recent one I got emotional with thinking what would happen if my only child a 7 year old would be hurt. This is coming from someone that has probably cried 5 times in the last 20 years, a few of those times were from very traumatic events. It's alarming to see some people so flippant about this issue.
     
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