Liberal media is now glorifying Kim's sister because they don't like Trump

Yeah, WW2 happened, so f*** all attempts at diplomacy forever, amirite?

 

Not what I was saying, i was saying that making highly inappropriate and unearned diplomatic gestures at an event used entirely for North Korean propaganda purposes would be foolish. When you have no diplomatic ties to a dictatorship, you don't have your VP shake hands with their minister of propaganda publicly.....something that should be obvious. That level of acknowledgement has to be earned and North Korea has done nothing to earn it.

 

Lots of better ways to do diplomacy than shaking hands with psychos.

Bush's diplomacy was basically 'do it or you will live out your days in a bunker like saddam'. If you think someone like Un gives up power because of a handshake and a smile, then you are naive. You gotta make them realize it's not in their interests.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament_of_Libya

 

You are correct we don't. But it's not like refusing to shake hands is a reward and you have to seize it when you can because you might not get another chance to refuse. What a vapid idea and way of thinking that is.

1. The idea is that N. Korea could be brought to the table.
2. None of that has anything to do with the Olympics, which is supposed to shine above politics.

 

Correct, it was, and while it was better than Trump's diplomacy, it wasn't as good as Clinton's when dealing with N. Korea.

Clinton's era was the one that saw much less urgency on the part of the N. Koreans to develop their nuke program. He accomplished this by taking steps to assure them we didn't actually want to wipe them off the face of the earth. The idea is that N. Korea is run by psychotic, murderous, paranoid, dictators and if they believe they will be wiped out developing nukes to wipe out as many of the enemy as possible is what they will race to do.

You are free to disagree with that line of diplomacy, but it has worked better with them than Bush's, Clinton's, Obama's and Trump's diplomacy.

 

Gee, and you think I was saying that a handshake would have stopped Hitler?

Don't strawman and you won't be strawman'd inkind.

 

Here's the thing about diplomacy.

The rest of the world is watching. Not just NK/SK.

You want to be the dove until becoming the hawk is absolutely necessary.

Normally I'm not one to give a crap about feelings, but in this case, perception is important.

Speak softly, but carry a big stick.

 

No American wants Russia actively infiltrate and influence our country except maybe for some far left communists who are on the fringes of society.

 

Man, we can argue about anything.

 

Yo dog, Russia is a very right-wing authoritarian capitalist society now.

 

Ha!, I'm sure you believe that. Real talk... economically communism and capitalism are pretty much the same. Neither allows the the proletariat to accumulate capital to replace labor whether by law(communism) or inherently(capitalism economic inequality). Same ****, different names bro.

 

ya, small businesses don't exist.

Also, if you posses a high level skill such as engineering, you can design a niche product and create your own business. You need a high level skill first of course. I mean, you've heard of Elon Musk.

Could Elon Musk have his own private aerospace company in a communist state?

 

pretty much the same means pretty much the same. and if you actually read my posts defending our country against pop in the other thread you would know i've said there are exceptions but it's very difficult which is why i said pretty much the same albeit in different (which i duly noted) ways.

 

Of course it's difficult. We live in an era of mass manufacturing with incredibly high precission and incredibly small tolerences where make shift at home engineering and designing won't be anywhere near competitive enough to produce a desirable product or service. Today, you need advanced skills to tackle new problems to design an effective product or service that is worth selling.

Just because you don't posses those skills, it doesn't they don't exist.

I mean, go make an app or something. That's a small businesses. Everyone and their mother are trying to get into the app market.

 

i don't think you understand communism or the fact i'm talking about economic communism fundamentals. effectively "proletariat," the people, can only sell labor and cannot accumulate capital (factories, equipment, etc...) "bourgeois" can accumulate "capital" and sell it and don't need to sell their "labor."

as a self-employed 1099'er, i know better than most. i can only be once place at a time and will never be able to sell the same hour of labor twice. now if i build a factory/software then i can sell the factory/software instead of my labor. but that's the issue, not everyone will have the resources to accomplish something like that which is why it's called the american dream. non-bourgeois accumulating capital is dream like. thus... pretty much the same.

 

Did you just finish your freshman intro to comparative politics class?

It geniunly seems you are very proud of expressing those terms.

Elon Musk had advanced knowledge in applied physics and mathmatics. His knowledge and ideas allowed him to seek the attention of angel investors.

You have to have the dicernable skills bro.
We live in a technological age where a ''new idea" requires a significant amount of education and baseline knowledge and design skills.

 

so naive, you think everyone has a real chance and will make it. i foresee a lot of disappointment when reality kicks in for you friend.

 

You think my aspirations are to start my own Aerospace program?

You don't understand my point. It's not capitalism that is limiting the barrier into creating a new highly profitable business. It's that all the easier ideas have been taken up and mass manufactured.

I'm content with being an employee engineer. It's not like I'm going to be poor.

 

Approaching a situation without diplomacy as your first objective and peace/prosperity as your final goal is not only insane, it's morally abhorrent.

Diplomacy proceeds militarism, it does not preclude it, comrade.