1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman discuss which players are better than Harden

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Wylo, Feb 8, 2018.

Page 1 of 7
  1. Wylo

    Wylo Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Messages:
    874
    Likes Received:
    1,032



    Stephen A. Smith

    - Picked LeBron, Durant, and Curry ahead of Harden, but was ambivalent about Kawhi.

    - Harden is arguably a top 5 player (definitely top 6), best two guard in the league, 'heir apparent' to Kobe Bryant, and the front runner for this year's MVP

    - Harden picks and chooses when he wants to play defense


    Max Kellerman

    - Picked LeBron, Durant, Anthony Davis, Kawhi, and Curry ahead of Harden

    - Harden's numbers are inflated because of MDA's system

    - Said he was suspicious of Harden in the playoffs because of his lack of athleticism, and compared his ability to 'decelerate' and change direction/speed to the pitchers in baseball who specialize in change-ups without the blazing fastballs (Trevor Hoffman, Greg Maddux, etc.) Those types of players don't do as well in the post-season because they can't simply physically dominate

    - Harden is not the fastest, can't jump the highest, and not the best shooter, but does it on guile and intelligence, which don't play well under pressure the way size, strength, and speed do.

    - Still puts Harden at best 5th, at worst 7th
     
    #1 Wylo, Feb 8, 2018
  2. Rockets4lf

    Rockets4lf Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2016
    Messages:
    2,464
    Likes Received:
    2,238
    Durant to me is one of the most overated player ever...He can never do anything by himself like harden.
     
    #2 Rockets4lf, Feb 8, 2018
    Remlap, Louka, dreamshakin and 11 others like this.
  3. swyyyguy

    swyyyguy Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2008
    Messages:
    8,068
    Likes Received:
    3,323
    bro i know this is clutchfans and there are a bunch of homers here but come on, LMAO
     
    #3 swyyyguy, Feb 8, 2018
    wesbound, DudeWah, Purvis2Short and 8 others like this.
  4. Jontro

    Jontro Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2010
    Messages:
    36,279
    Likes Received:
    25,369
    i mean if f'in A and killerman says so.. then i believe them.
     
    #4 Jontro, Feb 8, 2018
    juanm34, Lawlruschang, D-rock and 1 other person like this.
  5. Reeko

    Reeko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    52,298
    Likes Received:
    143,907
    AD over Harden is dumb

    When will people stop putting AD on a pedestal? AD puts up elite numbers, but gets u mediocre results. U could never say the same for Harden.
     
    #5 Reeko, Feb 8, 2018
    VivaChelseaFC, A00man, Louka and 24 others like this.
  6. BigMaloe

    BigMaloe Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2012
    Messages:
    15,159
    Likes Received:
    18,132
    Why do people care about these crap opinions?
     
    #6 BigMaloe, Feb 8, 2018
    Patience, VivaChelseaFC, James.B.H and 30 others like this.
  7. mario_v

    mario_v Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    4,261
    Likes Received:
    3,398
    When will people stop listening to max kellerman? He knows nothing about basketball or football.

    He should just stick to boxing, it’s the only sport he’s actually knowledgeable about.
     
    #7 mario_v, Feb 8, 2018
    BamBam, RyanB, Manos and 4 others like this.
  8. tmacfor35

    tmacfor35 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2008
    Messages:
    23,968
    Likes Received:
    14,583
    My issue.

    Says the system is helping Harden-rates Kawahi better(spurs system?).

    Says Curry willingly plays defense and rates him higher-Harden is the better defender statistically/eye test.

    Rates AD as third in front of Harden- Mentions Giannis behind Harden due to team success(incredible that AD couldn’t make the playoffs multiple years with Gordon/Anderson).

    What unintelligent blabbering idiots.

    Harden is the third best player in the game today and you could make every bit an argument that he’s number two over Durant or Curry.
     
    #8 tmacfor35, Feb 8, 2018
    DonKnock, dreamshakin, RyanB and 10 others like this.
  9. rhino17

    rhino17 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2006
    Messages:
    18,023
    Likes Received:
    4,428
    AD is a terrible pick

    Lebron is also an atrocious defender as of right now

    My list of top 3 is Lebron, Steph, and James
     
    #9 rhino17, Feb 8, 2018
    RyanB and D-rock like this.
  10. Entropy

    Entropy Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2002
    Messages:
    5,119
    Likes Received:
    1,415
    So is their way of laying the groundwork to deny the MVP from Harden this year? Media Narrative Control begins here. Blah Blah not a two way player Blah Blah.
     
    #10 Entropy, Feb 8, 2018
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2018
    Stormy1234, Lawlruschang, D-rock and 3 others like this.
  11. aroundtheblock2

    aroundtheblock2 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2013
    Messages:
    1,672
    Likes Received:
    1,755
    As great as Anthony Davis may be, he can not lead a team to wins.
     
    #11 aroundtheblock2, Feb 8, 2018
    Stormy1234, Lawlruschang and D-rock like this.
  12. tmacfor35

    tmacfor35 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2008
    Messages:
    23,968
    Likes Received:
    14,583
    Playoff Bron in 16 was the GOAT. Won’t take him off the mantle for a few years.
     
    #12 tmacfor35, Feb 8, 2018
  13. tmacfor35

    tmacfor35 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2008
    Messages:
    23,968
    Likes Received:
    14,583
    He’s a guy who puts up empty stats.
     
    #13 tmacfor35, Feb 8, 2018
    aroundtheblock2, DudeWah, RiceRockets and 2 others like this.
  14. RasaqBoi

    RasaqBoi Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2007
    Messages:
    17,079
    Likes Received:
    20,707
    Both these guys are trash. Keep motivating the beard.
     
    #14 RasaqBoi, Feb 8, 2018
    Killatron 2000, BamBam, RyanB and 4 others like this.
  15. scolandry1

    scolandry1 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2010
    Messages:
    3,904
    Likes Received:
    3,601
    Defense is about the team/system more than the individual player, Maxine.
     
    #15 scolandry1, Feb 8, 2018
    Lawlruschang likes this.
  16. underrated015

    underrated015 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2008
    Messages:
    3,004
    Likes Received:
    944
    How are they better than Harden and we have arguably the best record in NBA and he is frontrunner for League MVP?
     
    #16 underrated015, Feb 8, 2018
    Killatron 2000, DonKnock, RyanB and 4 others like this.
  17. buffalobills!!!

    buffalobills!!! Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2010
    Messages:
    1,997
    Likes Received:
    521
    Lol. ESPN is such a joke now. He's MVP, now deal with it.
     
    #17 buffalobills!!!, Feb 8, 2018
    Killatron 2000, DonKnock, s3ts and 4 others like this.
  18. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    39,181
    Likes Received:
    20,334
    The playoffs are more physical. And I do think Harden struggles with physical defenders when he doesn't get the calls.

    But to me, that's more of a mental issue with him than a skills issue. It's more that he gets frustrated with physical players than anything else. If he can stay disciplined and focused, he will be fine.
     
    #18 Sweet Lou 4 2, Feb 8, 2018
    RyanB, Lawlruschang, SWTsig and 2 others like this.
  19. threepointshot3

    threepointshot3 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2015
    Messages:
    3,468
    Likes Received:
    4,317
    The only thing Curry is better then Harden is shooting the three bal and given how Harden is shooting this season is not that much better. These two clowns obviously don’t watch enough Houston games
     
    #19 threepointshot3, Feb 8, 2018
    Killatron 2000, RyanB, Lawlruschang and 4 others like this.
  20. YallMean

    YallMean Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2003
    Messages:
    14,284
    Likes Received:
    3,815
    Fxxk Curry. He couldn't do a thing not long ago. Give the beard.

    Harden is the best player in the NBA right now.
     
    #20 YallMean, Feb 8, 2018
    RyanB and Lawlruschang like this.
(You must log in or sign up to post here.)
Page 1 of 7

Share This Page