[Sacramento Bee] Rockets Have Expressed Interest in George Hill

I think the point is Rynos contract ISNT as bad as Hills. I just find the idea of this weird with the two other guard spots in the rotation (Gordan and Green), but Morey is a lot smarter than me.

If Gordan DOES get flipped and its for a starting quality stretch 4 then by all means (i guess ) but in no way would i want Gordan swapped for George Hill.

Whats the go on Kevin Love? (Haha i know im dreaming)

 

Yeah, I really do not want Hill now. Ash just cemented it for me.

 

Insert "It's NOT Happening" gif here.


Makes little sense .... Ryno gone and no 4 spot in return ? No. Not Happening.

 

I'm starting to really warm up to a possible Hill for Anderson trade.

Stop thinking on Hill as just a point guard and more of a combo guard; someone that you can comfortably put on PG, SG and a few SFs. Honestly, Hill's game is definitely suited as an off-ball guard rather than a playmaker. He shoots 45% from 3-point range (only on 3 attempts per game, but a career 38% shooter). Doesn't really need the ball in his hands to be effective, most effective spotting up or playing a secondary playmaker role.

Getting Hill in place of Anderson makes our team even more versatile. Luc would be our new starting PF, with Tucker (and Ariza, at times) playing the back up PF. Essentially replacing a terrible defender with an elite (arguably our best defender). Maybe this will open up more time for Green, even when the roster is healthy, as our back up SF.

PG: Paul - Hill
SG: Harden - Gordon
SF: Ariza - Green
PF: Moute - Tucker
C: Capela - Nene

If Morey is trying to build a roster to match up with the Warriors, then Anderson is probably the worst player to have. Unless Anderson is blazing hot from 3, he is a negative out there with really no one for him to match up with. Never putting him on KD and would not like him on Green. He would only get to play minutes as a small-ball 5.

Get Hill, and the matchup against the Warriors make way more sense. We have always had trouble guarding Livingston, and now we can match-up Livingston with Hill. Hill is a good enough defender to put him on Curry and Thompson for stretches of the game, saving some energy for CP3, Ariza, Harden, Gordon who are usually tasked with guarding them.

Also having a 4th competent guard can help so much, especially in the stretch run into the playoffs. Hopefully, MDA is looking a select games to give Paul, Gordon and/or even Harden off completely, and having a 4th guard capable of playing starter minutes would be huge for those types of games.

Hill's contract looks bad but I think it would definitely be easier to move off of than Anderson's due to the partial guarantee in the final year, and the fact that a player like Hill (versatile guard) is a player that is in demand to various teams than those select teams that would like an overpaid stretch-4. If the goal this offseason is to get LBJ, then I don't think we are going to need to attach 2 1st to get rid of Hill like we probably would need to attach to move Anderson.

If the Kings somehow accept Anderson, a 2nd and filler (Williams / Onuaku / maybe Qi if Morey really believes Hill can be moved easily), then do it. But I would also like to add a big man of some type to the team as well. Dream would be Brook Lopez but even Speights would be an alright get for someone who can play the small-ball 5 aka hit threes.

 

Who’s Gordan??

I doubt Morey trades Gordon. He is playing well and doesn’t hesitate to shoot. He drives to the basket too. Something Hill can do but nowhere near Erick’s strength.

We definitely need a back up to our back up center since D’Antoni seems to have given up on Black. Some nights we could get away with using Tucker or Luc at the center on some lines ups but not against teams like Nola, okc or other lengthy teams.
It also is insurance in case we need a backup C and Nene can’t play Back to backs or long stretches.
I still feel we need a back up C if we aren’t using Black.

 

Those of you that would want Joe Johnson here, should also want Hill here. Especially if it means we get out from underneath the Ryno.

 

Paging @cyberx @Codman @ch44

 

This trade makes sense (ignoring finances) if the Rockets are ok with playing Gerald Green and George Hill minutes over Ryno, which I am OK with in meaningful playoff games. Hill is also a tremendously accurate 3 point shooter who is a lot better than we've seen this season in SAC where he's likely just been going through the motions.

 

Who here would do a Gordon and Ryno for Hill and Zbo swap?

Paul/Hill
Harden/Hill
Ariza/Luc/Green
Zbo/Tucker
Capela/NeNe

 

I disagree with the notion that ryno leaving means a stretch 4 has to come back. Ryno doesn’t really rebound all that well or play tough defense or protect the rim. He’s not even a good positional defender who slides and takes charges.

So you aren’t losing much of anything at all in those departments if you put a guy like Luc at the 4 spot.

 

Who's Erick??

Haha

Had it coming bruv.

 

Not really because I didn’t misspelled Gordon 3 times and that was autocorrect. Erick and Eric are the same, they sound the same anyway. Gordon and Gordan don’t.

Now if I had typed Erock or Eruck I would give it to you

 

Fair call mate. No idea how i managed to spell it like that 3 times :/

Your also right about the backup center thing. I read a proposal on another site of Black and a 2nd for Noel. Hard to believe Noels stock has dropped so low. Speaks a bit to his attitude i guess? I dunno.. with money being a league wide issue next season maybe we could resign him on the cheap too?

 

As much as I like Hill, I dun think they would not part with Zbo right now.......unless it's a fire sale on their part.

It's interesting for sure. But it feels rushed. Zbo is prolly the best 36 year old but still 36 and less athletic.

Green is ok and Hill aint a scorer, neither of them can replace Gordon's consistent scoring.

Gordon is still the third best player, with Capela looming fourth.

 

You have to look at the bigger picture with the WCF looming. Imagine Zbo vs. Draymond, Hill vs. McCaw and Swaggy, that's why i do this deal. I disagree, I think that Hill and Green > Gordon and that Hill is definitely a scorer, don't let that 10 ppg fool ya...

 

If George Hill and Z-Bo can stay healthy, I definitely think that both of those guys have the potential to be better backups than Gordon/Ryno.

At the same time, Gordon and Ryno have the Mike D'Antoni offense in their DNA, and you might be adding all sorts of chemistry issues needlessly to the best team in the entire NBA. Eric Gordon is CLEARLY the best player in the deal, and how often do you want to give away the best player in a trade? The answer is essentially never.

I'd be asking for a star If I was to trade Eric Gordon, but that's just me. He is far too valuable as a bulk three shooter against the Warriors.

 

Wait, You think that George Hill and Gerald Green are better than Eric Gordon?

 

Their potential production together, not individually. And, don't forget the decrease in minutes to the duo which can't ultimately be quantifiable...

 

It's the middle large picture. You can only have so many years with 32 year olds or older guys.

I guess we have arguably (emphasis on arguable) a better shot on paper but I dun think there is a clear advantage that you see.

The large picture is the GSW are younger than we are and have more shots at the rings.

To this day, some people still undervalue what Gordon brings to the picture but yeah you will see.

I agree Zach Randolph changes the dynamic but Hill alone does not.

Randolph is still 36 year old and what X factors come with old age.

 

Don't forget, we took a flyer on Eric just to sniff his previous potential after years of injury and it panned out for us in spades. You don't always have to trade a player in his decline, you have to see the curve ahead of him over the horizon. We've been playing with house money. Hill has a buyout clause in year 4 as Ryno does not, chess not checkers here for Summer 2018...