I don't much like this counter-argument that the economy is performing well because of Obama and not Trump. I mean there is some lag in whatever a president is going to do where policy changes really would take a while to be felt. But it perpetuates the mistake of crediting any president for the performance of the economy. This is not a command economy. The Admin can have some influence on outcomes, but it's mostly not up to any president. Arguing about which president gets credit is having the wrong debate. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't see anything.
Actually, it's more like the past 53 years, since the passage of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, under LBJ's watch
It might be. Illegal immigrants are less likely to commit violent crime, but there are some gangs like MS13 that have a large portion of their membership that is illegal immigrants. But to say that illegal immigrants make our society more violent wouldn't be accurate any more than simply having more people, in general, would make our society more violent.
Gangs like MS13 prey on illegal immigrants and use them to fill their ranks, it's a bad situation for the illegals and a bad situation for everyone else. The country would be much better off without any illegal immigrants.....but that should be obvious. It's almost like saying "the country would be much better off without any crime". It's just not something that can be argued and there should be bipartisan agreement on it....I mean, there used to be anyway.
I believe both parties are in favor of keeping out illegal immigrants. That being said, that doesn't mean that minors that had no choice in being brought here when they were young and have been productive since being here should be punished. It also doesn't mean that it's okay to make believe that illegal immigrants are more violent in general.
I think the point is that violence by illegal immigrants is worse than violence by anyone else because they shouldn't be here to begin with. You just sort of have to deal with the violent assholes who are supposed to be here, you shouldn't have to deal with violent assholes who aren't supposed to be here....those people that their very existence in this country is breaking the law. When it comes to those who came here as children, well, there's about to be a bill on the table pushed by the president to grant them a path to citizenship....we'll see if it gets bipartisan support.
There already was a bipartisan bill that was presented to the President after he promised to sign one and he refused to sign it. So we'll see.
Yeah, the problem with that one was that it would prevent meaningful immigration legislation from happening. This time around, there's even more benefit for DACA people plus meaningful immigration legislation that will help prevent the problem in the future. Merely granting legal status to DACA people only encourages more illegal immigration, so the only way it should happen is alongside measures to prevent more illegal immigration in the future. Makes sense right?
i agree with this. I know some people don't see it this way. A friend of yours comes to your home and breaks something is different from a guy breaking into your house and breaking something.
The problem is that when the President agrees to sign something and then goes back on that word once it's presented to him, we don't know what we can expect. The draft that was presented to the President was a bipartisan offering and not from just one party.
He agreed to sign it bundled with the other changes, that was always the deal and I think deep down, you know that. Trump misspeaking in a meeting doesn't change that...and it was corrected long before the DACA only bill was presented. Had they passed a DACA bill alone, the rest of the needed immigration changes would have been permanently blocked. Now there's a compromise bill where everyone gets a bit of what they want and it's just overall a better bill, so it's a good thing that they didn't kill the process and overall make things worse by passing a DACA only bill.
i've explained this before please try to follow... if a democratic president and things are going well it's current policy. if democratic president and things are going bad it's previous republican administration. if republican president and things are going well, it's due to previous democratic policy. if republican president and things are going bad, it's current policy. you know what, here i made this for you. they can't lose and frankly it's genius.
Yeah, I get it, but I'm not one of those guys who was repping Obama for the recovery, nor lambasting Bush for the collapse.
same here, i don't think potus has any impact at all but don't tell that to party lovers. i just laugh at the conditions dems use to discredit the current economy. they go out of their way to explain it's not trump it was obama. it's funny and sad all at the same time.
