Again you are asking people who believe BLM is the same as the KKK to understand that BLM has some positive basis. To them it does not. They don't want it to. In their hearts they are threatened by the idea of black people being equal to them. They want blacks to be oppressed and they want America white. They may not wave dixie flags or done white outfits - and they may not be outwardly racist, but it's there. I remember in my economics class in high school when the teacher said that whites would be a minority within 100 years - people panicked - "what will happen to us?" - these were racists - they were girls on the student body and athletes - guys I hooped with and people I was on good terms with. But you will never rationally change their minds. This is an emotional thing. Spare your energy to those willing to listen.
[total aside] Speaking of identity, I went to the African American Museum in DC last week. It's fantastic. Still thinking about it. They do a great job of explaining how all these disparate peoples of Africa were made into a people here in America. It's also pretty brutal, and made me feel ashamed walking by foreign tourists. But it is what it is. Anyway, I highly recommend it. Trump probably doesn't know about it, or he'd be hashtagging #fakemuseums. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy to set foot in a museum anyway. And if he knew the Smithsonian museums don't charge admission he'd be rampaging. [/total aside]
Well it's what you were suggesting was the case and honestly I don't care one way or the other. Not surprising that you don't get it. The conversation was about poisonous ideology. The identitarianism that you support is based in a poisonous ideology that has caused more pain and death than Nazism. Now since I know you'll understand that Nazism is bad, that's why I brought it up as a comparable poisonous ideology. In short, you wouldn't support movements based on poisonous ideology A, but you are all about movements based on poisonous ideology B. Identity politics is basically a group of bigots demonizing other groups in an effort to gain power necessarily at the detriment of other groups. It doesn't matter if the group targets black people, Jews, men, or white people as the evil group allegedly oppressing them, they are all the same fundamental thing. Perhaps this conversation is simply over your head and there's no shame in that.
You know what? Wow... you are right, this guy just said that the Civil Rights Movements led to more pain and death than Nazism and is a poisonous ideology, at that point one should just wonder.
Yet again your ignorance and inability to follow along in conversation is on display. I honestly shouldn't have even bothered with you.
Funny enough talking to JayGoogle about this reminds me of the recent Jordan Peterson interview with Cathy Newman. Basically I'll spell things out in an obvious and easy to understand manner only to be hit with essentially "So you're saying...." and then a complete mischaracterization of what I said only for me to correct him and spell things out for him again, then we get another "So you're saying...." with yet another mischaracterization of what I said. It's just foolish and talking with people like that is tiresome. Be better.
I don't know about the alt-right but the lack of a girlfriend is absolutely the root of the ridiculous post count for a certain poster in this thread.
To the first part, I don't believe in the basis behind KKK or BLM. Both are ****ing stupid and prove my point, everybody is racist just to varying degrees. If you honestly believe, either have merit or prefer one over the other you're just like them. All the groups gotta quit, if you want equality. It's like saying we're going to be an equal opportunity employer than value affirmative action. That's inherently discriminatory. Fwiw, I can abuse this option and never do. SIL
This is what happens when you make up your own reality Bobby and battle a strawman you've made of my position for the entire discussion. You talk yourself into silly positions like you did above about Nazism. The identarian movements that I support are movements like the Suffrage movement, the LGBT movement, the Civil Rights movement. These are the ones that I said I supported all throughout this thread. You then say... Thus, my conclusion is valid. Now, I'm aware you will say that I support some imaginary radical LGBT movement that hunts down straight white males and snip off their balls or something. In addition, I could ask you "What is this poisonous ideology that you think I support that has caused more pain and death than Nazi's" but I know you won't. I know you'll vaguely ramble on building your next strawman.
If you asked that, it would just show that you weren't paying any attention to the conversation and further making yourself look like a fool. From the start I've spelled out that modern identitarian groups base their ideology on Marxist principles. Marxism is a poisonous ideology that has caused more pain and death than Nazism. Pretty much all you've shown in this conversation is that you are intellectually incapable of holding this conversation and there's no shame in this conversation being over your head. That said, there is shame in you not following along and lashing out ignorantly as a result. Just accept your shortcomings and move along or do better. We can always have conversations about basketball or entertainment elsewhere and it seems like those things are more your speed.
This false equivalence stuff is highly annoying. One group has a long storied history of killing black people, burning down churches, and preaching hate... The other has a short history of marching in the streets and like 3 instances of property damage...oh and somehow they are racist even though they protest alongside other races. But hey... #BothSides
I don't believe in ignoring people, I've ignored one guy here and I forget his username but that was only because all he did was insult others and it was annoying. Honestly, no matter what forum or social media I'm on, I'm not for ignoring. The truth is, people like this exist, it's better to try and understand their positions I feel than just ignore them. That's just my take on it, I don't disagree that ignoring would be easier but eh, I'd rather try to get to the root of their argument and try to understand how they reached that position and if there is any rationality to said position.
I hear you, and I keep what I feel are sincere and balanced conservatives off of ignore. But if it's just repetitive or even sociopathic nonsense from a poster, I feel life is too short to be seeing it. But I appreciate where you're coming from -- more power to you.
In every single debate you enter in this message board you eventually resort to the "you can't intellectually hang with my debate skills" trope. Just pointing this out. It's kinda funny.
The phrase 'And Like' preceding the number would probably tell you that it wasn't the exact number. Do you have the number? Before I assume your position, do you think that the crimes of BLM are equal to the crimes of the KKK? Can you tell me what these crimes are in a general sense to have you believe that they are equal? Is there a misunderstanding here? It seems people are confused about the fact that the KKK has spent decades terrorizing minorities and at its height was a terrorist organization whose sole purpose was to maintain White superiority at all costs even if that meant killing kids...while BLM is a group not even 10 years old whose main thing is holding the police and state accountable for its brutality and protesting. Can anyone on the right here have an honest discussion about this or are we all just going to pretend that BLM, LGBT groups, and feminist groups are all as bad as groups like the KKK and its allies?
Carefully guided question, I see. I'll respond to this later fully. But I don't think BLM has done really any crime, outside of looting. I'm not debating that; I'm debating their beliefs, views, and discrimination against others much like the KKK. Their lack of tolerance. And on my racism spectrum, it's extremist. SIL
