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Capela's on-off Drtg

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by basketballholic, Jan 9, 2018.

  1. basketballholic

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    There would be no difference defensively as long as Nene and Black weren't dinged or winded.
     
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    Nene or Black can do just as good as Capela defensively playing against starters with Ryno and Harden in the lineup? Nah, I disagree.
     
  3. BigMaloe

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    You like using this “anomaly” phrase a lot now when it goes against your theory and side of the debate.

    None the less this is absolutely false. He was not significantly injured last year. Quite the opposite in fact being a top candidate for MVP.

    The reason why the defensive #s showed what they did was because the league started running “kawh-i-solation” and took him out of the game plan and challenged the spurs 4v4.

    He has been and sure his team is decimated but that shouldn’t change your defense. And if it does that says a bit about your character and drive. Capela has been on a team “decimated” with injuries.

    The truth of the matter is Jordan isn’t nearly as dominate defensively as he once was.

    Of course you can. Both are direct style replicas to your “statistical analysis” that portray the truth and paint a different picture then the truth. Exactly so with capela.

    None of the teams are better defensively without the player in discussion.

    Wow, your actually admitting there are variables and reasons for why other players in the lineup could skew a singular player’s numbers?

    Capela is not a great defender. But he is a plus defender.
     
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    Yes. In limited minutes.

    And I emphasize limited minutes. Because the only way Capela's metrics are this God is because we limit his minutes. You run him out there for 30+ and everything falls off significantly. Rockets know that. That's why they limit his minutes.

    I would doubt Nene or Capela could even last add long as he does at peak efficiency. But at their peak there world not be a defensive difference to his peak.
     
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    He's not even a plus defender. Kawhi is not a big. Yes, you are right they did the 4 on 4 thing to him last season......Because he is such an effective defender. But he was also significantly dinged at the end of the season and that contributed greatly to him standing out there covering the fifth guy at the time line.

    DJ hasn't fallen off defensively. He's playing for a lottery team. He has consistently been a plus defender and in consideration for DPOY. Isolated seasons. Does not compare to for sessions of consistent zero to negative defensive impact unless shadowed by another great defensive big.

    Don't live in de Nile. You'll drown.
     
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    Just like those harden threads bbholic think results are anomalies lol
     
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    They are not anomalies.
    • Leonard wasn't injured last year, don't be silly. He nearly won MVP. And besides, that's a shocking 9 point difference. You can't explain that away other than to agree with me that these On/Offs actually don't really mean anything, a lot of times.
    • For the combined two years that DJ was 1st Team All-NBA Best Center (2014-15 thru 2015-16) his On DRtg and Off DRtg were a virtual tie....meaning for the span of two 1st Team, All-Defense years he was "not a difference maker", per your interpretation of these stats.
    • Likewise, the year before that (2013-14) Joakim Noah was voted DPOY and he had a worse DRtg, too. That was DPOY with worse numbers than Capela.
    How many more "Anomalies" should I find?

    They aren't anomalies. These facts wrt comparing On to Off numbers have nothing to do with who is a good defender and who isn't. This fact just proves On/Off numbers don't always mean as much as you think they do. It's often a misuse of stats. You may very well be right, that we are a better defensive team when Capela is off the court (highly doubtful though), but these numbers simply are not the way to prove anything.
     
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    Take your own advice. You were shown by HP why your analysis falls flat yet you continue on..... By your own analysis Khawi Leonard, in his 2016 MVP caliber season, was a poor defender.
     
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    No, this is not true as being the reason for the disparity. Kawhi is a great 1-on-1 defender but this didn't translate into better team defense. When he was off the floor, the Spurs team defense was actually better.
     
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    Your right that both are very good defenders and have been dpoy candidates.

    But...

    They both support my claim hat this stat def on/off rating is unreliable. It does not paint a very good picture.

    At best it is a small tool you can use in coordination with others but does not account for teammates and opponents.

    It is very flawed and does not tell the truth about capela and his defense. It’s not an “anomaly” but rather another example of unreliability with this statistical model.

    It’s common knowledge that their is not a single good reliable defensive stat measurement. Especially not this one.

    Your using the wrong tool to build Mount Rushmore. Instead of dynamite your using a rock hammer.
     
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    LOL

    Using DRPM, Harden is a better defender than Goran Dragic, George Hill, Matt Dellavedova, Patty Mills, and Jonathan Simmons(who is rated one of the worst defenders in the league by this metric but is actually one of the best defenders in the league), but is a worse defender than Milos Teodosic (who is rated #7 in point guard DRPM but is one of the worst defenders in the league).

    I could go on and on here but won't.

    DRPM is a farce and tells you nothing about how good or bad a player is at playing defense and how much he contributes, doesn't contribute, or takes away from the team defense.
     
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    If you can't see that Kawhi and DJ are plus defenders I don't know what I could say that would make a difference here.
     
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    I can explain that. Can you explain 4 years of Capela being a zero or negative defensive impact unless playing with a stud defender at the other power spot?
     
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    Not really the best way to evaluate his impact.

    Capela unfortunately is usually forced to be on the court the same time as Ryan Anderson. Capela is having to carry baggage during the game.
     
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    Kawhi being crushed by injuries last regular season is news to me.
     
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    Lol. Totally missing the point...
     
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    Phew!

    Lucky we already traded Clint, bbholic told us it was a done deal....
     
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