I would wager that more than half of the doom-and-gloomers here at CF do not have a vegan diet. My guess is that since the government provides no programs, no tax cuts, no tax increases, no tax credits, and in general has no authority over one's diet, that these individuals will never get around to changing their own diet. It costs zero dollars. It costs zero new taxes. It takes no government registration. Just personal will power. They want everyone in the world to change their life styles in drastic ways, but they do not want to lead by example. How fit.
Red meat certainly ads more methane but it's not the same as Co2 from transportation. Maybe globally but not in the US - where transportation is double that at 14% and all of agriculture - both farming and livestock - is only 9% It should also be noted that methane has a half life of 7 years - in other words doing nothing will rid us of the methane gas. This is not true for co2.
I thought we'd had this discussion before. It's been discussed that because a person doesn't do every single little thing to affect climate change that doesn't mean that they should all advocate doing nothing.
You need to get more attuned to Cojete logic: it snowed in the Hill Country last night, therefore global warming does not exist. The environmental problem with the livestock industry as it exists today is the feedlot. People are accustomed to higher marbling (i.e. intramuscular fat) beef (and pork) than existed naturally historically, and that is due to the after-production/pre-market fattening/feeding regimen of corn/soy/grains (which are incredibly fertilizer/pesticide/freight intensive). This is also why things like antibiotics and hormones are used. People the world over are also trying to raise animals in areas that have no business supporting those animals (cutting down the Brazilian rainforest for large scale cattle production etc....). Grass-fed animals do not have these issues. There's a right way and a wrong way to do everything.
No you're an idiot because people aren't saying we should cut co2 emissions to zero they are saying we should REDUCE the amount of Co2. The people who generate the most CO2 are Americans whether it be through industry, driving, or consumption of products that took a lot of Co2 to produce in places like China. This is important because reducing CO2 emissions will save our economy and save lives. But idiots like you say if you breathe out CO2 you're a hypocrite. Well, better to be a hypocrite than to be completely stupid Rojo. Stop being so stupid.
I can tell you are not well versed in the global warming/climate change debate; its intricacies and the finer points of the science. You see, what can be reduced in this case is not CO2 but instead is CH4 (methane). I know that you and many others realize that there is no political gain by going vegan, and therefore you choose to abstain from such a display of sincere concern. And just remember: it is not "idiots" like me who are stopping you from going vegan.
I may not do everything I can do to reduce emissions, but the one thing I most certainly do is belittle and chastise others for not doing anything even if I am not.
This in line with the CoheteLogic that you should donate money to the government if you think taxes are too low. Basically do nothing to address problems and actually advocate the government to do nothing but chastise others that encourage government action to combat societal problems. #CoheteLogic
There may indeed be some hypocrites. That doesn't mean that people shouldn't advocate for reducing carbon emissions, and trying to help prevent climate change in as many ways as possible. You do understand that, right? If a person is overweight and in poor health partially because they don't use the most efficient diet, does that mean they shouldn't exercise? Or vice versa? It makes more sense for them to do whatever they can whether there may be some other steps that they could add to their routine doesn't change that.
Just some friendly advice... You shouldn't be lecturing others in not being well versed in climate change and the finer points of science.
When called out for their hypocrisy, the climate change doom-and-gloomers come up with analogies to cheer themselves up. Are those analogies going to lower y'all's carbon footprint?
Do you really not understand the purpose of the analogies are you just trying to steer the conversation away from the analogies which serve their purpose of highlighting the flaws in your logic? I can tell by your posting that you really thought you had a good to show those who support science and oppose climate change, but it didn't work out that way. Like I said, I think we've already discussed this before. Geez man, everyone makes mistakes. Sometimes you should realize it's better to move on from your mistake than to keep digging in which only serves to highlight your mistake.
It can work better if we throw some money behind it. Government mandate to go vegan. Let's do it. Counting on the will power of individuals is not sustainable. Even if I do it, it'll be a drop in the ocean of all the @Cohete Rojo s who will not go along. We can't do it with just the hypocrite liberals; we need the cooperation of climate deniers too. A good big government program that institutionalizes behavioral change can make a big impact. I'm not the one allergic to paying taxes and subordinating my personal freedom to the greater good, so I'll vote for it.
I think this has been discussed many times before: most climate change doom-and-gloomers have no desire to lead by example. Oppress yourself first. Besides, if we want to have a big group-hug on climate change, then let's ban all Saudi and Venezuelan oil imports. That will drive up the price of oil, lower its consumption, and lead to fewer greenhouse gas emissions. Or maybe we could just pull our troops out of the Middle East, rather than redeploying them to a "stupid war". Nope. Can't even have that.
The people you are arguing against are concerned with industry and government who have the capital and engineering capacity to actually accomplish tangible results when it comes to our climate. You can only sway individual behaviors so much. The much more pragmatic approach is educate the public on what they can do as individuals and more importantly push our government and industry in the direction of combating the issue rather than pushing it aside for short term quarterly profits.
I can tell you flunked out of high school chemistry - at least I have a degree in science (physics) and can read the studies on climate change and make sense of them without depending on a right wing blog for gods sake. We don't have to go Vegan to fight climate change, we just need to start investing in technologies that reduce our carbon footprint like cleaner energy and processes. You know better and yes, you're being an idiot and should be chastised.
Yes, we have discussed before. Leading by example is stupid. We're in this together and we should all oppress ourselves together.
This whole thread is like the anatomy of a stupid argument. A climate change denier arguing that climate change advocates aren't doing enough to combat climate change. LOL You wingnuts never cease to amaze.
