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James harden injury

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Stormy1234, Jan 1, 2018.

  1. amaru

    amaru Member

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    I believe it’s just another term for a strain.
     
  2. snowconeman22

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    Well we have a 9-10 man rotation when healthy . And who knows beyond that becuase MDA WONT PLAY ANYONE ELSE.

    Kerr plays mccaw as a rookie and he plays well. Pop plays no name guys and they play well. MDA doesn't give anyone a ****ing chance .

    Tarik black is a 4 year vet who averaged 16 mpg last year .

    We had isaiah Canaan and he played 4 minutes for us . He is now averaging 25 mpg for phoenix

    Scrub Ennis put up 20 and 11 vs us last night

    You can't blame Morey for not a getting us talent. It's up to the coach to play them . You can't just "pick up vets" who will willingly sit . It has to be mutual . Free agents are looking to put themselves in the best position and that usually means getting Playing time .

    If guys know that when players get hurt , MDA will shorten the rotation before playing them ... Then they ain't coming here .

    Morey signed Luc for the freaking vet min . What else do you want !?!?
     
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    A pulled muscle is a strain - micro-tearing of muscle fibers at the minimal level. A pulled muscle feels like someone gave your a charlie horse. Very tender.

    What harden had was a grade 2 strain which means that it went beyond micro-tears and there is a partial tear of the muscle. The question is how much of a partial tear and wear will determine how long he is out. But what makes it look bad is this (from the Chron article:

    Recover from something like that isn't measured in weeks but months.
     
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    Makes sense. Sprain too,

    Even weight lifting is considered damaging muscle - that's where soreness comes from. Then, it builds back stronger..
     
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    Look at this:

    Look at the first half of this video. Especially that early drive from Harden. First play of the season. When's the last time James look as spry and explosive as that? Definitely not last night. He handle on the ball even looked better than it has the past month. Look at when he drained that shot over Curry. Complete control of that ball.
    Harden should've been rested even before this week to get back to this. THIS version of Harden can be a two-way player. Or at least a non-negative on defense.

    Will we even get to see him get back to this level of health again this year?

    I wouldn't mind seeing the entire staff purged. Down to trainers.

    And oh god look at what he did in the 4th there. He may as well have been LeBron with that drive past McCaw and double clutch in traffic, probably through contact, ball didn't even hit rim on the finish.
     
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  6. touring_low

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    Honestly I'd say 4 weeks, but he said 2 weeks (but didn't sound like it really was gonna be 2 weeks).

    I just hope we still stay top 2 seed while he's out :(.
     
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  7. vlaurelio

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    so you seem to put the blame exclusively on MDA. Who hired him and who's his boss?

    does Morey realize that GSW/Kerr and Spurs/Pops 12+ man rotation is what sets them apart and is intrumental in getting them rings?

    do you think Kerr and Pops can play and develop Webber, Brown, Jackson, Willams, & Chianu?
     
  8. snowconeman22

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    Les hired him .

    I'm sure Morey realizes enough . I know he knows we aren't favorites on paper . He made a conciouss decision to go for a chip while we have James in his prime . It's either go all in and hope things break your way or flip James for young players and picks .

    He's doing what he can . There isn't a team in history that has the talent and depth GS has right now . Too many good ( and lucky ) picks / breaks / players signing with them for discounts .

    Any other year we'd be the prohibitive favorite ; and that's WITH MDA as our coach.
     
  9. amaru

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    Yea they are both tears just involving different structures
     
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    spurs have championship talent and 12+ man depth

    every other team seem to have a 10+ man rotation boston, toronto, okc, even cavs which allowed them to win without IT and Thompson

    all I'm saying is if I were going to point a glaring weakness of the rockets, it's the depth and I think its both on MDA & Morey. We can argue all day who is more to blame
     
  11. glimmertwins

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    The difference between Pop and Mike is that Pop has earned his job security with many rings and Mike has never and will likely never get the same job security until he bring in multiple titles. Pop has the freedom to take the long view but most year to year coaches know that the hot seat is just catching a few bad breaks away in a losing streak(injuries, tough schedule, having the refs steal a game or two from you). Remember also that our new owner is a relative unknown - we don't know how much tolerance he has for an embarrassment streak after dropping a few key games or just how involved he will or won't be with the team's day to day...my point is - I agree with you that I wish D'Antoni rested his players more but I don't necessarily think it's because he's less aware of the big picture than Pop - if anything he might be totally aware of the big picture of how fragile his job standing is if the team fails to meet expectations(see McHale).

    I also don't necessarily fault Morey in this case - never been an apologist for Daryl but he basically had to flip all his depth last year to land Paul to make salary work. Morey definitely should take some crap for the Anderson signing(could have been a good move, but Anderson's shooting regression makes him worthless and I don't know who could have seen that coming) but he essentially got Paul and had to figure out depth around him with limited ways to do that. As I have said in other threads, I think Houston is praying for some buyout love to provide reinforcements but there is no guarantees there but that is certainly how Golden State built up legit bench depth. It might just take an offseason or two to fully get the depth for us.
     
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    It was New Years eve....
     
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    This is the Harden that we had until the Spurs game. We should have forced him to sit for at least 2-3 games after that, but now we may never have this version of Harden back this season. I'm not sure whose fault it was - Harden or the coaching staff, but when your aspirations are a chip, you can't make foolhardy decisions throughout the season.
     
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    Ugh - I'm betting Harden is out a month - maybe a little more. The official timetable is "we will see in two weeks" - typically that's just an arbitrary milestone to discuss the effectiveness of current treatment...and frankly after the Yao/Tmac years, I'm a little gun shy of the advice of Houston's team doctors and rehabilitation staff.
     
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  16. MD_in_Training

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    We don't have an offseason or two. CP3 is 33 at the end of the season. Ariza, Tucker Moute are not young either. Our window is literally this year and MAYBE next depending on if we can land Lebron or PG.
     
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  17. vlaurelio

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    20M RA is killing us
     
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    Grade 2 is 4-8 weeks according to the internet.
     
  19. J Sizzle

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    Likely will drop us to at least the 3-4 seed, if not lower.
     
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    schedule aint too bad.. I'd say we lost to a full strength warrior squad on thursday. and the rest of the games are winnable. I'd target the warriors game on thr 20th for James to return
     

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