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Fire Bill O'Brien

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by DonnyMost, Sep 23, 2016.

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Should we fire Bill O'Brien?

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  2. No

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  3. Abstain (for the moment)

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  1. Nick

    Nick Member

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    The only thing those leaks do is apparently scare you... You probably should stop following football if you're that easily influenced.

    McNair, the coaches, the front office and everybody in football actually do talk to one another... sure, they can influence fan perception (i.e. you) via the media... but you're clueless if you think they're saving or creating jobs via that method.

    And even in that implausible scenario... where you honestly think BOB just played the media into scaring the owner into giving him more power... if he can be THAT manipulative, you'd think that figuring out an opposing team's defense would be a chip-shot compared to that sort of inception.
     
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  2. J.R.

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    Congrats to Billy on winning the power struggle! :rolleyes:

     
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  3. Mr. Clutch

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    It's not inception.

    OBrien has tried to get rid of Rick Smith every year and leaks stuff to the media.

    It finally worked.
     
  4. Mr. Clutch

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    Zero excuses going forward.
     
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    Smh....what a dysfunctional franchise
     
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  6. Nick

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    You honestly think they demoted Smith because of him leaking to the media?

    Are you 13?

    If anything, this further implicates Smith as being the Brock Osweiler initiator... nobody should have survived that.

    O'Brien is well liked/respected by his peers and his players. On the flip-side, in 2013, Kubiak had lost the entire lockeroom and clearly wasn't going to survive, despite him being able to use injury and a mini-stroke as an excuse.
     
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    He was demoted because it's what OBrien wanted. He's been pushing for it since year 1.
     
  8. Nick

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    Ok... but you claim the leaks "scared" McNair... which is pure fantasy-land garbage.

    McNair, and his partners, can figure out with their own heads that a coach-QB pairing that looked pretty damn good, and a locker-room that vouched for him, was enough to "scare" them into not firing him.

    Keep in mind, he isn't getting an extension. He's merely continuing to honor the original contract he signed. He's essentially coaching for that extension as we speak.
     
  9. Mr. Clutch

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    Fair enough.

    But I believe these bizarre stories happen every year for a reason and I believe it's to influence the narrative.

    I mean people believe it's a fact that Rick signed Osweiler without consulting O'Brien, that Rick forced him to start Savage, that O'Brien would be the #1 coach on the market if he left the Texans.

    People say that stuff like it's fact, and it's fantasy garbage
     
  10. Nick

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    You can believe what you want to believe.

    You can blindly follow every media report/speculation/tweet as gospel.

    You can also listen to interviews and read between the lines in a lot of cirumstances.

    In the end, Rick Smith is being demoted while BOB is being retained... and Smith's decision making, which likely included the Oswelier debacle, played a huge role in that decision.
     
  11. Mr. Clutch

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    I fully agree Rick should be demoted
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    Some teams fire incompetent coaches after a season where the team sets a franchise record for most points given up and the team fails to score as many points on offense as they did the first season the coach was in town (which is still the best the team has done with BOB), the Texans instead give that incompetent coach a promotion and more control over the team.

    Almost all excitement about next season is kind of gone now.
     
  13. texian

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    I'm not going to start a New GM thread, but Pioli has some paranoid behavior in his past.

    And Gaine to me is low hanging fruit.

    If you have to hire a new GM, engage Korn-Ferry and do it right.
     
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    Like you guys haven't been spewing that O'Brien hand-picked Fitz/Hoyer/Mallet without any insight from Rick Smith as fact too?
     
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    Lol, melodramatic much? Remember the 7 weeks Deshaun Watson started and we led the NFL in most offensive categories? If he's healthy, next year will probably be a lot like that offensively.
     
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    If the team does indeed hire a new GM, I would hope the first thing that GM would do would be to fire BOB, if that's not the first thing they do, then they clearly aren't a good GM.
     
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    Oh, so now we are to credit BOB for what Watson did? If anything it was amazing that Watson was able to do that DESPITE BOB's terrible coaching. BOB was only able to screw up 3 of those games with Watson.

    Even if Watson goes back to playing like an elite QB, it won't make BOB a competent coach, he'll just be an incompetent coach carried by a stellar QB....and it'll mean that the Texans will have a ceiling to how successful they can be with BOB always there to screw things up. He managed to take Watson playing at an elite level and turn it into 3-3, what makes anyone think he couldn't take a full season of Watson playing at an elite level and turn it into 8-8?
     
  19. Mr. Clutch

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    Overstated by anonymous sources in OBrien's camp
     
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    I think those stats have to be taken with a tremendously large grain of salt given how many injuries this team had. Read earlier that only 3 other teams sustained this many season ending injuries to so many starters. I doubt the offense would have struggled had Deshaun been around. I doubt very seriously the defense would have been that bad but for injuries. I’m not sure who made the decision to let Demps and Bouye walk, so not sure who to blame for that. Not sure how they failed to address serious OL issues looming coming into season.
     

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