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Fire Bill O'Brien

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by DonnyMost, Sep 23, 2016.

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Should we fire Bill O'Brien?

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  1. Nick

    Nick Member

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    You do realize that those post-game press conferences are useless, right?

    The only thing I see keeping him here is if they want to continue to see if they can build upon what Watson was doing prior to him getting hurt. His development is that important enough.
     
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  2. Mr. Clutch

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    If you listen to his long interview with MAD radio over the off-season, it's pretty revealing.

    He believes his own coaching skills is what makes the Texans win. That's his edge.

    So it's no wonder his roster building is so awful. He doesn't think it's that important, not as important as his coaching skillz.

    No one can win without talent, not even Belichick.

    He also shows he doesn't understand analytics at all.
     
  3. texian

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    Report: Texans will fire either Bill O'Brien or Rick Smith after season
    Jeff Risdon/TexansWire/USA Today

    Two men enter, one man leaves. Bill O’Brien vs. Rick Smith.

    That’s the decision for Houston Texans owner Bob McNair following Week 17, if a scathing report is true.

    Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle cites numerous sources in his report of the blistering battle of egos between coach and GM. There has long been talk of animosity between the two men, clashing primarily over personnel choices. The most notable incident was Smith signing QB Brock Osweiler without consulting O’Brien prior to the 2016 season.

    O’Brien is entering the final year of his contract. He coached the Texans to three straight 9-7 finishes before injuries ravaged this year’s team to the current 4-11 record.

    Smith has been in charge of the Texans front office for 12 years. As Wilson notes, he is extremely close to owner Bob McNair. That could be his trump card despite a spotty history with the draft classes beyond the first rounds.

    Stay tuned as the drama heats up following Sunday’s season finale.
     
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  4. Nick

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    The fact that anybody survived THAT decision is ridiculous... let alone one of the parties survived a 2-14 season prior.

    Basically, I don't see how Rick Smith survives any of this... regardless of BOB. What coach would ever think twice about wanting to work in THIS sort of environment, where the GM is protected no matter what?
     
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    Fire them both
     
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  6. Mr. Clutch

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    LMAO! Here we go again.

    First let me start by saying I'm not defending Rick Smith. He should be fired. He is a horrible GM.

    But that bolded is an absolute lie. We have multiple quotes from OBrien saying he watched tape of Osweiler and agreed that the Texans should get him. We have multiple quotes saying he and Rick work together.

    These are ON THE RECORD quotes.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-how-the-texans-stole-brock-osweiler-from-the-broncos/

    Bill O'Brien immersed himself in film of Texans players and potential free agents. He came away believing Osweiler was "the right guy."

    "We study all these guys," O'Brien said. "We watch their [regular-season] tape [and] their preseason tape. When you threw the tape on from [last season]. it was impressive. He played in some very tough games, some very meaningful games.

    "It's not easy to be a starting quarterback in this league. It's one of the most difficult things in sports to do. I think we got the right guy."

    http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spo...-in-film-room-ended-6886807.php#photo-9531719

    O'Brien and Smith had agreed from the beginning that if there was a chance the Texans could get Osweiler, 25, they would vigorously pursue him.

    After the Texans' 30-0 loss to Kansas City in the playoffs, O'Brien took off a couple of days before returning to the film room. First, he evaluated each of the Texans. Then, he turned to prospective free agents and watched tape before filing his report with Smith.

    When O'Brien finished, Osweiler was at the top of his list of quarterbacks.


    "We came out of the film room agreeing that Brock Osweiler was the quarterback to lead us where we want to go," Smith said.


    http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spo...film-according-to-Brock-Osweiler-11178575.php

    What do you like about QB Brock Osweiler?

    "I think the first thing you look at is his (Denver game)film, how he plays the game. He's a big, tall guy with a strong arm and he stands in the pocket. When the rush is bearing down on him, he delivers the ball. Look, it's not always complete, but there's a lot that goes into that. I think the one thing that I like about this guy is that he's got good leadership ability.

    Like I said, he's tough, he's got a good arm, he's accurate. We spent a lot of time studying a lot of different guys - college guys, pro guys - and we felt Brock gave us the best chance to win."

    Do you see QB Brock Osweiler as a particularly good fit for the Texans' offense?

    "Absolutely. Yeah, I thought he was a very good fit, obviously. We felt like he was a guy that everything that he brought to the table, from his command at the line of scrimmage to his skill set as a passer. For a big guy - I'm sure you guys know his history, he played basketball - he's a very, very good athlete. We think he's a great fit for our offense."

    Beyond QB Brock Osweiler's size and athleticism, what did you see that you like on film?

    "You look for little things. The biggest thing to me was I felt like he had really good command at the line of scrimmage. You could tell on the coach's tape when the play was called, he knew what he was being taught to do by (Broncos coach) Gary (Kubiak), get to the line of scrimmage, get them into the right play.

    "Then, the other thing that really stood out to me was when he dropped back to pass, like I was saying in the New England game, they were bringing some pressure on him. Some of the guys were unblocked. He was having to deliver the football and take a hit. There wasn't one time that I saw where he ducked. He stood in there and delivered the ball.

    "That's one thing that I know that a quarterback has to have, the ability to stand in there, keep his eyes down field, deliver the ball and take a hit. He did it time and time again in that game and other games. That was one thing in addition to all of his skill set that I like. That was one thing that stood out to me."
     
  7. Nick

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    There you go believing an article spun by Rick Smith's cronies. BOB played the company line that he was on board with Brock because what else was he supposed to do? Continue to say a QB was forced on him? He told you (and everybody) exactly what you're supposed to hear when your employer gets a QB.

    The initial reports after they signed him were that BOB had no input.. I'd tend to believe those. Why would he have spun it then? Everybody thought Brock was a great signing.

    This is why you shouldn't the media dictate your bias'. The guys in the office there know who was more responsible for Brock.... let them figure that out.

    Also, chronicle writers have no reason to be pulpits for either of these guys.... anonymous sources certainly do.
     
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  8. Nick

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    In the end, because Brock deserves no more discussion... I see it as it was initially an idea of Smith, and he eventually had to sell it to everybody else.
     
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    Damn thought Ricky might get promoted now might get fired. He’s gone obrien will win this war.
     
  10. Mr. Clutch

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    Agree with your last two sentences.

    Actual quotes by OBrien are not Rick Smith spin

    And the stuff about O'Brien not wanting Brock only came out after it was obvious Brock sucked. See all I posted about O'Brien wanting Brock with on the record quotes. But if there is a link otherwise I'd like to see it.
     
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    I see it as OBrien washing himself of the Texans.

    If he can blame Osweiler and other terrible moves on Rick, then he has a better chance of getting another job
     
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    Obrien came here to change the culture of this team and what better way then get the McNair’s to fire their guy Ricky. He has undermined the head coach too many times the mallet situation etc.

    It’s just time for Ricky to go been too long of a run with no big results. Obrien has been here for a small amount of time compared to Ricky. Keep obrien get a GM who he’s familiar with or works well with extend him 3/4 more years and if keeps going south then fire him.
     
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    What do you mean undermined? Rick Smith provided the team with Watson, who is the only QB good enough to make BOB look even halfway competent as a head coach and an offensive mind. If anything Rick Smith is responsible for literally the only thing BOB can point to as a positive...and that's if people buy into the BS that it was all him finally learning how to coach an offense and not just Watson being awesome.....also if BOB had it his way, the Texans wouldn't have him because he's a terrible judge of QB talent.
     
  14. Mr. Clutch

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    I agree Ricky should be fired.

    But please provide examples of Ricky undermining Billy. Mallet is not one of them, because O'Brien agreed they shouldn't go into a game without a backup QB.
     
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    You remember the situation where obrien wanted to cut or leave mallet on the trip to the Miami game I believe and it was said Ricky went against obrien and we happened to get blown out that game.
     
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    After he was “calm” down I’m not buying it.
     
  17. Mr. Clutch

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    But it would have been really dumb to go in with only 1 QB.
     
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    It’s was about principal at that point.
     
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    My whole point is Ricky time is done and obrien deserves a little more.
     
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  20. Nick

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    No, it came out the day he signed.

    It was quickly retracted/deleted because the Texans front office didn’t want to look dysfunctional (even though they clearly are).

    Go back to the original Brock singing thread. You’ll see reports that BOb had little say I’m the process the day they signed him.
     
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