1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[Official] Astros Offseason Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Nov 2, 2017.

  1. raining threes

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    18,618
    Likes Received:
    13,476
    It's not like giving up Castro wont hurt the Yankees. We should be worried that because the prospect cost was so low that a guy like Frazier could be traded in a package for a pitching prospect that's comparable Whitley.
     
  2. zeeshan2

    zeeshan2 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    55,738
    Likes Received:
    65,940
  3. craigharmann

    craigharmann Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2015
    Messages:
    514
    Likes Received:
    300
    It depends on whether you’re talking about defense versus hitting at catcher. Defense, the nod goes to McCann. See playoffs, Sanchez for details. Otherwise, the Yankees aren’t that great and unless they go out and get a guy, have significantly downgraded at 2nd. I’m not worried.
     
    raining threes likes this.
  4. Major

    Major Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 1999
    Messages:
    41,681
    Likes Received:
    16,205
    The Astros last year won 10 more games than them despite starting some combo of Fiers, Musgrove, Martes, Paulino and Diaz for 54 games.

    Even if you assume that ridiculous situation repeats itself and that Gray/Verlander is a wash, if you believe in WAR, Stanton in his best season (last year) was worth 7.6 wins over a replacement-level player. Given that he's not going to be replacing a replacement-level player in the Yankees lineup, he'd be projected to increase their win total by less than that, even if he duplicates his 2017 season, right? (full disclosure: I think WAR is a dumb stat, but I'm going with what people argue it represents)
     
    raining threes likes this.
  5. raining threes

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    18,618
    Likes Received:
    13,476
    They really need to hit on Whitley, Buskauskas/Tucker/Fisher.

    This yr doesn't worry me as much, due to a full year of Verlander/better health for Kuechel/ improvement from Correa/Bregs etc... Luhnow does need to work on the BP though. Im not worried about getting a LHRP this offseason as much as getting one in July.
     
  6. Major

    Major Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 1999
    Messages:
    41,681
    Likes Received:
    16,205
    Kind of like Altuve and Correa and Springer on the same team?
     
    craigharmann likes this.
  7. Snake Diggit

    Snake Diggit Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2012
    Messages:
    14,931
    Likes Received:
    24,342
    The idea is that NY will now make other moves to further improve their roster. How good will they be if they use Frazier and others to trade for Chris Archer and sign Brandon Phillips as a cheap stopgap for Torres at 2B?

    No matter what NY does, Houston will have a great team. But to now Houston was easily the best team in the AL, and this move makes it at least debatable.
     
    texans1095 likes this.
  8. CheezeyBoy22

    CheezeyBoy22 Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2005
    Messages:
    6,140
    Likes Received:
    2,522
    The Yankees aren't done making moves. They haven't really dipped into their prospects at all and we know they need a SP real bad.

    To Major's point, we were 10 games ahead of the Yankees but we also owned our division. I expect the Rangers and the Angels to be better come 2018.

    Overall, Houston will need to make some moves. We know they want to add relief pitching but I still think they need to get another bat. A full season of Justin Verlander, a healthy starting pitching rotation, and the growth between Correa and Bergman from the off-season could lead to a better 2018.
     
  9. jim1961

    jim1961 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2010
    Messages:
    18,457
    Likes Received:
    14,665
    That could be offset by Marwin and Reddick. Those two guys had career years in 2017 (regular season). Anyone besides me think these guys could falloff next year?

    As for the rest, the Yankees are getting better. We better also.
     
  10. CheezeyBoy22

    CheezeyBoy22 Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2005
    Messages:
    6,140
    Likes Received:
    2,522
    My concern as well Jim. Reddick was terrible in the World Series. Marwin's homerun did change everything for us in the World Series.

    Agree about the Yankees part...
     
  11. The Hunted

    The Hunted Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2007
    Messages:
    2,652
    Likes Received:
    1,652
    I don't know why people assumed other teams weren't gonna try to get better to compete with the champs. Dynasties don't come easy.
     
    mikol13 and jsingles like this.
  12. xcrunner51

    xcrunner51 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2002
    Messages:
    5,533
    Likes Received:
    2,491
    I doubt anyone expects MarGo to put up 4.1 WAR ever again.

    Reddick hit well but it wasn't his career year. I don't see him regressing significantly unless he unlearns how to hit lefties.
     
  13. NIKEstrad

    NIKEstrad Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2000
    Messages:
    10,209
    Likes Received:
    4,162
    Guzman was an Astro to start his career... traded in the McCann deal.

    I wonder how the cash part of this deal works - if Stanton opts out, do the Yankees still get $30 million?
     
  14. jim1961

    jim1961 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2010
    Messages:
    18,457
    Likes Received:
    14,665
    http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/stats/_/id/30195/josh-reddick

    2017 was his career high for hits, doubles, ave, and slg%, 2nd in obp% and rbi. How was it not his career year?
     
    #1054 jim1961, Dec 9, 2017
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2017
  15. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 1999
    Messages:
    26,378
    Likes Received:
    16,721
    For a dumb stat, WAR and projected WAR correlate very well with wins with most of the error being context (i.e., sequencing of hits, sequencing of runs, bullpen usage) and catcher projections. It is easy to see that an upgrade from Gardner to Stanton should improve Yankees by about 3 games (5 WAR - 2 WAR) by what was expected prior to trade in the OF with a marginal improvement at the DH as well. Granted sequencing matters a lot, but likely range of Yankees wins likely went up by 3-4 for the floor and the ceiling. Fangraphs projection had the Astros at about 7 wins ahead in WAR.
     
  16. chievous minniefield

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2001
    Messages:
    2,241
    Likes Received:
    1,226
    Why do you consider WAR a dumb stat? Not looking to argue, just curious what your thoughts are on it.
     
  17. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 1999
    Messages:
    36,288
    Likes Received:
    26,645
    Yeah...I'd have to agree that 2017 was Reddick's best overall offensive year he's had. His 32 HR year was offset by poor batting average and OBP.
     
  18. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 1999
    Messages:
    36,288
    Likes Received:
    26,645
    Many people think that WAR is good for absolutely nothing.
     
    mikol13, NIKEstrad and The Hunted like this.
  19. awc713

    awc713 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2012
    Messages:
    6,479
    Likes Received:
    6,162
    Wonder if NYY bit the bullet in part to hedge because they think Bryce Harper is going to CHC?

    NYY is still very beatable. Nat'l media is obviously slobbering all over 'em. Great core with Sanchez/Judge/Stanton, no doubt. But the rest of their offense is meh. Didi doesnt scare me. Bird is a good hitter, as is Gardner, but neither are really all-stars. SPs are okay and the bullpen is nice. How their young SS develops will be key. If he busts, man that'd be great.

    Good team, but nowhere near LAD IMO. Stanton/Sanchez/Judge is a very nice core, but it's not blowing us out of the water.

    FWIW, in his first 7 seasons, Stanton averaged just over 100 games played. Maybe the plan is to slot him in the DH, but we've seen some players struggle with that adjustment.

    Either way, we'll be just fine. NYY needs to take a risk like Stanton, we dont.
     
  20. The Hunted

    The Hunted Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2007
    Messages:
    2,652
    Likes Received:
    1,652
    This was the correct reply to that post.
     

Share This Page