"They call her Pocahontas"-President of the United States

On my worst day, I am so much more respected than you that it's not even debatable.

Speaking of uneducated, this is a perfect example of why almost no one takes you seriously. Pocahontas not being Dine (Navajo) had nothing to do with the insult- the complaints were against Trump insulting the Native American people:

1. John Norwood, general secretary of the Alliance of Colonial Era Tribes, told NBC News Trump's use of the name to mock Sen. Elizabeth Warren "smacks of racism." “The reference is using a historic American Indian figure as a derogatory insult and that’s insulting to all American Indians,” Norwood told the network, adding that Trump should "stop using our historical people of significance as a racial slur against one of his opponents.”

2. Navajo Nation President Russell Begaye told CNN that the aside was "uncalled for," particularly in that setting. "This was a day to honor them, and to insert something like that — the word ‘Pocahontas’ as a jab to a senator — you know, that belongs on the campaign trail,” Begaye said, according to Politico. “That doesn’t belong in the room when our war heroes are being honored.”

3. The National Congress of American Indians, the largest organization of Native American tribes, called it "a slur" in a statement. "We regret that the President's use of the name Pocahontas as a slur to insult a political adversary is overshadowing the true purpose of today's White House ceremony," said NCAI President Jefferson Keel, a Vietnam War combat veteran.

So, moron, before you call anyone else "very uneducated," how about not saying stupid things?

 

Of course, he's been a clown for so long here that as soon as you see BigTexxx, there's a 98% chance it's going to be worthless commentary. The only reason to read is that you might get a good laugh out of it.

 

This is your typical loud and proud liberal.

never a real material threat in society due to lack of education, funds, both, of just straight up effort.


All noise, zero substance.


SIL

 

If you have to call yourself Ivy League, you're not. Also, if you're going to imply someone has a lack of education, you may want to refresh your knowledge of the rules of Standard Written English- you know, that set of rules most of us learned in 6th grade. Because, otherwise, you just look like a dumbass.

This is how it should have been written:

This is your typical loud and proud liberal.

Never a real material threat in society due to lack of education, funds, or both - of just straight up effort (this actually makes so little sense I can't even correct it).


All noise, zero substance.

 

What I heard was that Trump said some really rude **** in front of some real life War Vet Native Americans. On top of that he said it within a back drop of a portrait of former President Thomas Jefferson, which allowed the "Indian Removal Act" to pass through Congress in 1831.

Word on the street is he was alluding that Senator Warren from Massachusetts had "appropriated a Native American culture for financial gain" some thirty odd years ago when she applied for college.

Its a classic red tie vs blue tie argument.

I, for one, don't know what color tie cares about me more.

I will now read your arguments...

 

That is some amazing rationalization. Maybe next time he presents the Medal of Honor he can go after Schumer so people will find out what the Medal of Honor is about.

 

It is probably my fault for not knowing more about this group but nothing in my statement is false.

 

Is it your contention then that it was respectful of Trump to insult a political enemy during a ceremony to honor Code Talkers as that would get people like you more interested in them?

 

Haha. The lack of self awareness of Trump fans is insane and would be funny if it wasn’t so dangerous that they can see the world through this kind of lense.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/739921/trump-incorrectly-claimed-swedish-decades

Also if facts are important, which they probably aren’t but.... yeah.... there are facts about Warrens claim that are widely misconstrued.

https://www.snopes.com/politics/politicians/warren.asp

Yes ... Warren said in a campaign ad that her parents would talk about “her Native American heritage”. However it pretty much ends there. The whole notion she used it to advance her career or that she even knew she wasn’t Native American is taken out of proportion. Knowing plenty of white folks myself from Oklahoma, I can’t tell you how many of them have said stories about how they are x percent Native American.

There is no evidence here that there was harmful intent in her ... well... lie about her heritage which might be more of her parents fault than her own. But yeah she should have done a DNA test beforehand. The Trump family lied about their heritage for years with the intent of advancing their wealth and power in the real estate world of NY and have admitted as much.

Personally I think both cases aren’t that big of a deal, but Trumps use of a racial slur at a Navajo war hero ceremony is a big deal... even though I wasn’t shocked because he is a bigot and always has been. It should shock no one when a bigot said bigoted things. It also shouldn’t be a shock to anyone when the guy who openly praises dictators does dictator things in office eventually.

Hope you guys are proud with your pick. The best and brightest America has to offer. Wear Trump like a badge of honor.

 

No I said it was the end result not his desired result. I think his intention was to insult Fauxcahontas but I also said it was inappropriate.

 

I'm curious then why you made such a rationalization in response to my point that it was disrespectful to the Navajo Code Talkers when it sounds like you pretty much agree with that.

 

I think in order for something to be a racial slur it would have to be derogatory against a race. It may have been derogatory to Warren but she isn't native American so the racial portion isn't met. I haven't read any derogatory things about the real Pocahontas so I don't think he was being derogatory to the Native Americans. Is Trump on record saying anything bad about a Native American or Pocahontas?

 

That’s a terrible explanation. If I call Tom Hanks the N word, do African Americans not have a right to be offended?

The fact is, Native Americans were offended by this.

"Among American Indians we really do think it is a racial slur," said Rickert of the President's use of the name Pocahontas.

“American Indians are pretty upset with the fact that he has a picture of Andrew Jackson, and Andrew Jackson among native people is known as the Indian killer president. He is the one that had the Cherokees, Chickasaws, Choctaws removed from the southeast portion of the United States in the Trail of Tears where thousands of people died.”

https://www.google.com/amp/fox17onl...e-to-navajo-wwii-code-talkers-after-slur/amp/

This was just so over the top and designed to be a manufactured controversial moment that just you can’t be this naive can you? He wanted to get a rise out of people, offend some folks, and create enough ambiguity where people like you come running to his defense.

This.is.what.he.does

 

I do have to admit that calling someone like Elisabeth Warren "Pocahontas" is terribly disrespectful to Pocahontas. It would be more accurate to call her Rachel Dolezal and you wouldn't be besmirching the name of someone held in high esteem.

 

That's literally all you needed to say in this thread. But you started out deflecting so yeah I wonder why people started taking sides...

 

No... to you and the random twitter person, there were many Native American's offended, including this one. Throughout this thread a number of people quoted. I know you and the random twitterer don't care, and would only want to support Trump regardless. This thread also has a number of posts that explain why it was offensive, so to spare careful readers I will just suggest reading back.

 

Even if you irrationally hate Warren and don't think Trump is a racist, at the very least one has to admit that the dude's only avenue of action as a bureaucratic figure head is to verbally attack people. That's the only thing he knows how to do as President. He does it in a god damn WW2 ceremony out of the damn blue. Like no one in that damn room gives a **** about Elizabeth Warren. Why bring her up? I'm pretty sure majority of the room wasn't offended because it was so out of the blue. They were more like "Que? Elizabeth Warren? Why? What?"

As Bigtexxx would say: "Elizabeth Warren dominates Trump's thoughts and mind".

 

I have a hunch you know this already, as its been discussed in a number of previous posts, but here goes. Trump chose a completely inappropriate time to engage in his petty squabble with a political adversary. Instead of honoring Native American Code Talkers as war heroes, he used a Native American name to demean the political adversary. Putting it in terms you may better understand... lets say President Bill Clinton had referred to a political adversary as "Uncle Tom" while presenting an award to Tuskegee Airmen. Or if President Obama had referred to a political adversary as "jewing someone down" while presenting an award to a Jewish person? Again, in both examples, completely unnecessary to the reason they are there... so it is offensive. But in each case, it uses racial terms to demean. This is why so many Native Americans are offended... he used what should have been a chance to honor Native Americans, and instead he uses a Native American as a way to demean someone he doesn't like. This is what you are defending.

 

that's all he's "good" at and that's what his supporters love about him

Why?

maybe because they view themselves as victims for so long that now they feel good about someone constantly attacking the "other side" ?

It doesn't matter if they are harm, as a poster pointed out. I don't agree with Trump, but I like him. I don't care if his policies is harmful to me, as long as he hurt others that I don't like. Stabbing oneself to release one long hidden pain. Weak awareness.