"They call her Pocahontas"-President of the United States

No, I don't see why you'd think that would help anything.

What it sounds like is that there were family stories in the Warren family about how they have some Native American blood (which is a pretty common family story, it seems. I was told that when I was a kid though I doubt it's true; my wife had a similar story that is true; and I remember other kids in my childhood who would make similar claims of a distant ancestor. In retrospect it's a weird and probably insensitive form of cultural expropriation to make unsubstantiated claims about your ancestry because it's somehow cool to be a little bit Native, but we were kids -- and without the internet and without 23andme we had no way to know the truth). She, probably naively, accepted it as true and an interesting factoid about her ancestry that doesn't have much to do with her real life. She seems to have since realized that the claim was bogus or at least not true enough to use, but she must have slung it around when she was younger, though I have not seen anything where she actively asserted this in public; every Native American claim seems to be only passively reflected in university communications. Universities, of course, would be eager to claim whatever minority they could in their faculties, though they probably should have grounded out the claim before putting it in print. But now -- and reflected in her recent statement -- it looks clear that Warren does not claim to be Native American in any meaningful way. So I don't think what you say is true. She doesn't claim to be a minority. If she said she was in the past, I haven't seen that she ever benefited from it (though her employers may have taken some small benefit), and otherwise the whole thing would be irrelevant. It's a bit like people dragging up what Moore did 40 years ago, except that there is no suspicion that Warren committed any felonies. The whole Pocahontas thing is a fabricated scandal that only continues to survive because of conscious efforts by political enemies to keep it alive. By constantly referencing back to the original scandal without proving the scandal all over again people tend to forget that the original accusation was a piece of campaigning bullshit by her opponent to win an election in the first place.

 

Not a real attack on his point. For me I'm staying out of it because no amount of talking to or at republicans will rid them of their bigotry and ignorance. Conservatives might be able to work toward something, but republicans with a hard R are not worth my time.

 

I am just trying to get you to respond after you saying 3x I am not worthy of a response. You can't help yourself.

You got any more lies to tell?

 

Sure, one last one- the Utah Jazz were the best Western Conference team of the 90s, and Karl Malone was the best All-Star representative from the West during that decade.

(I mean, that made me ill just writing that).

It's all good. I got hot-headed, so I apologize, Astrodome. Trump makes me very angry on occasion- I just have to learn not to translate that against others. I'm back on my meds, so everything's copacetic now.

 

Can we at least agree that it was very disrespectful of the Navajo Code Talkers this event was meant to honor for the President to make a joke regarding someone he regards as a political enemy instead of keeping the focus on the Code Talkers?

 

That made me more ill than anything else you said in any thread.

Imagine how much attention this ceremony would have gotten if he didn't utter pocahontas. Zero to none in my opinion. Instead many people, like myself, have learned a lot about their contributions in the last few days.

 

Actually, that is true. The Code Talkers visited the White House under George W. Bush and didn't get nearly as much recognition as they have over the last few days.

That would be really bizarre if that's basically the new norm - Trump says something provocative and the end result is that a benefit comes out of it.

Still, I can't condone it. Knowing what I know, more Native Americans than not would find it inappropriate. But good points, though.

The Navajo code word for Rockets is Lesz-Yil-Beshis. So, if in another thread, I yell, "The Lesz-Yil-Beshis are kicking ass!!!!", you'll know what it is in reference to (although that might be appropriation. Sigh.)


The Japanese cracked every code the U.S. used up until they brought in the Navajo Code Talkers. The Japanese couldn't crack that one. That was a key factor for the U.S. victory in the South Pacific.

And the Native Americans in New Mexico were still not allowed to vote when they began to call upon them to serve as Marines and Code Talkers during WWII. 29 of them devised the original code; there were 420 Code Talkers in total.

 

Donny J Dipshit has has now buried the decency bar by turning a Native American heroine's name into a pejorative when speaking to Native American war heroes while standing under a portrait of Andrew Jackson. Insert head exploding gif here.

Yet we have Clutchfans, our natual Rocket fan allies (one defiling the legacy of our hometown 8th wonder of the world), defending this Dumpsterfire-in-Chief.

TELLING

 

I wish he would use her real nickname of Fauxcahontas.

Go Rockets! (I am not defiling anything, my friend, as we just don't share the same viewpoints all of the time. It is not that serious)

 

What other things have Trump comments/ tweets helped you learn about?

 

Frederick Douglass is doing some great things and is an example of somebody who's done an amazing job and is being recognized more and more.

 

This is the heart of the matter right here and should be the end of the discussion.

Trump irrelevantly revealed to veteran Navajo code breakers that he uses a deragotory pet name for a US Senator.

Thanks for sharing, POTUS!

 

It reminds me of the episode of South Park, when Cartman goes on a rant and tries to agitate Wendy about breast cancer awareness month. He lies, cheats, and grandstands the entire time. Then, even after beating her he continues to lay into her because he can. In the end, Wendy kicks Cartman's ass. Dondald Trump, in soo many ways, is and always has been Eric Cartman. While Matt and Trey made him Garrison, there is no doubt he's Cartman to me.

 

America does seem to be full of this kind of story. I had always accepted my family's Cherokee claims, and there is even an old family group portrait with a woman who looked full-blooded in it. I would point her out to guests who got interested in that sort of thing but never thought much about it. I am from a family (I thought) of genetic mongrels.

Then I did 23 and me and found out I had zero native blood but actually have 4% African ancestry. Not sure in my case, but I've read that many white families in the south would claim "Indian" blood before admitting to having black ancestry of any kind. Sad and weird, but it's all coming to light now, slowly. And thank god I said "no way" to a boss who wanted to claim me as having Native American ancestry, years ago. Even though I thought the biology was true (pro tip: that's not my real photo, folks) I had no tribal affiliation or cultural link of any kind. And it turns out it was all fake genetic news anyway.

 

@B-Bob, here is an interesting article about whitey's claim to Native American -- and specifically Cherokee -- blood: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...lieve_they_have_cherokee_ancestry.single.html

Some interesting stuff in there about Cherokee history, but I found this section about our romanticization of the Native American interesting in light of my own experience:

So is this a Southern thing? Did I have this story bouncing through my family because some great great grandfather wanted to believe he had more right to be here than some carpetbagger? Warren is from Oklahoma, so she might share that dynamic. I'm going to have to bring this up with my father.

 

I didn't read the whole thread, but did read enough to see Dandorotik's meltdown. Hilarious, but of course in a "laughing at him" kind of way. Bro - get a grip.

oh, and you guys are very uneducated. Pocahontas was NOT a Navajo, so Trump wasn't insulting Navajos by saying Warren tried to claim their heritage.

 

Interesting we have this same story in our family - however my great grandmother on my father's side was born on the reservation and my dad kept all of her papers.

 

You’re welcome for the photo, Pocahontas.

 

It’s like you’re not even trying anymore. Our idiot in chief is even having a marked effect on our resident wingnuts... sad!

 

Also had this story in our family, but no corroboration.