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Ryno's more than 50% better at 3P receiving pass from CP3

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by James.B.H, Nov 26, 2017.

  1. heypartner

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    And he shot the lowest of his career for the two years after, still at age 31 and 32. Does age change 3P% that much? Or do other facts contribute to Peja not being as wide open with later NOP teams? Or is that all within reasonable variance to his career average?
     
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    https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/redicjj01.html

    Redick is another example, and a better one, same era, smaller age change for him and Paul, more complete game log data. For Peja, I don't even know there are any means, aside from watching the video tapes, to get information like closest defender, shot distance, whether the pass come from Paul or not, etc.

    Just a quick look, last season Redick shoots 47 for 125 at three with Paul DNP, 154 for 343 with Paul playing, which is a difference of 7.3%.
     
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    Sounds stupid but true.

    I totally noticed this on that game Ryno lit it up with 6 3s. CP3 passes and has a yearning facial expression. He puts so much care on the pass. Knowing how each guy likes it. Crisp fast yet soft passes that hit shooters’ hands like buttah.

    I’ve been quietly stoked about the CP3- Ryno chemistry. As good as Harden was using Ryno last year, his passes were frequently a little off and predictable leading to defenses closing earlier than Ryno preferred. Especially the behind the back no look bounce pass on the pick n fade that got a little sloppy as it became more routine. CP3 is just the purest of point guards. And how he is engaging with our bigs too. Ooo wee.
     
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    If we are talking SGs, wouldn't the better comparison be Redick to Gordon, though? And Gordon is having a bad year...except early when playing with Harden only.

    Plus, it's not really telling us much to compare Redick's numbers when Paul gets a DNP, versus when he plays, because the mere fact you take a HOF offensive player off the court is going to allow defenses to guard Redick more...and it's going to make Redick possibly play more a role to initiate his own offense, where he normally doesn't do that.
     
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    There are many subtle nuances to CP3's game that Harden doesn't have. Not only that Paul's passes are more accurate and on target, it's less predictable. A lot of Harden's turnovers come from throwing predictable passes, and I always wonder why he keep doing this even when I as an amateur can see him turning the ball over before it happens.
     
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    Position doesn't really matter, if that really matters, Peja wouldn't be a good comparison either, because he is a SF not a PF like Ryno. All of them are elite spot up shooters, so they can be compared, although they do get their shots differently. Redick is more of a running off the ball using screens and C&S type of shooter, Ryno is more of a stand still spot up or pick and pop type of shooter. In this sense, Peja is indeed closer to Ryno because he doesn't run off the ball nearly as much as Redick does.

    Compare Redick's shooting performance when Paul is DNP or playing is a very rough estimation, it really doesn't mean to say much. If one really wants to analyze the impact of Paul's pass on shooter's 3P%, at least he needs to analyze all Paul's passes that leads to three point shots, to see if the shots are more open, or if they're closer, etc. I can't find any play by play data for a player's potential 3P assists.

    Gordon's 3P has never been good this year thus far. He drives much more, finishes better at rim, and goes to the line more. I don't know if this more physical kind of play style affects his shots, hope he can find his shots back.
     
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    Instead of this TNT will show Shaq shopping.
     
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    I was going to make a post about this based upon observations in how CP3 passes vs Harden.

    CP3s passes are SO MUCH MORE ACCURATE than James, and they are right in the pocket for players to catch and shoot. Whereas many of Hardens are to the right guy but a little left or right, forcing the player to move a bit to shoot it.

    I think Harden is a good passer, and CP3 is an all time GREAT !

    DD
     
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    How does Ariza look on CP3 passes?

    Ariza used to KILL from the corners on John Wall passes out of the break. I believe Ariza had a career 3pt shooting year with Wall. Stylistically, unlike Harden, Paul will push, probe, collapse and manufacture that same kind of 3pt look at a high rate (along with a variety of other types of open looks).
     
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    I've noticed this too. I don't know if it's Paul's passes being more precise so much as just that more of them being in semi-transition. Either way, small sample size but a welcome observation. I think just having another elite playmaker ensures good looks a lot more often. Not to mention how much Ryno is spacing out now. Crazy just how far he's shooting.
     
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    No coming off the bench at home does, hes doesnt have the jitters and his eyes already adjusted to the lightning.
     
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    You are genuinely open when cp3 passes. No defender or 3 seconds pending.
     
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    Just a nitpick on math term but 50% better than 2/8 is 3/8. What you mean is Anderson's 3pt% is 50 percentage points higher with CP3 passing to him which is much more impressive.

    Oh and yeah CP3 is good at passing.
     
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    I've been thinking he passes the ball with more admiration.

    Then they can use this video comparison to justify and award James Harden, the MVP of the league, another Shaqtin-a-Fool trophy. He might lead the league in assists but only his errant passes will make their cut.
     
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    CP3's passes are just more accurate and they give Ryan more time to shoot and he has a slow release so it benefits him.

    DD
     
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    This. James Harden has a much better overall offensive game than Paul, but CP3 is a much better passer, and a better defender. It's really not a fair comparison, though- very few are as good as Paul.
     
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    For sure, Reno tends to take an extra step more often than not. CP3 has really crisp recuse passing. James had been employing Cp3's passing style - pure point guard. I can't even imagine JH's ceiling.
     
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    Ryno: "James, stop passing the ball to me. GRRRR !!"
     

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