I would argue this is just silly. Basically if you've found an easy way around the rule, then it's a stupid rule that doesn't accomplish its purpose. In reality, people who are tech-savvy have a way to cheat the stystem, and poorer/less-knowledgable people get stuck with a crappier or more expensive service. That seems like the absolute worst of all worlds.
I know in someplaces you don't have a choice some Apt. complexes only allow one maybe two companies Rocket River
https://arstechnica.com/information...-one-25mbps-internet-provider-or-none-at-all/ 50 million US homes have only one 25Mbps Internet provider or none at all
Haha, you're unraveling now. First and foremost, why would your work shell out $15 a month for netflix access? Second, they can see VPN traffic. ISPs sort of care about piracy but not to the extent you think. That's why Comcast and Cox do send notices and will even block your services if you do pirate content. In fact, for years Cox used to break up torrent content regardless if it was legal or pirated. Go to reddit and see tons of redditers who have lost their accounts due to piracy blocks under Cox's 10 strikes program. Again, VPN traffic could be viewed much the same now. Also, the workarounds you speak of, as they get more complex they get slower, there are dropoff points where the service is so slowed down you hardly get an image. Don't even get me started on the dangers of using free VPN services... Again, as another poster noted, if it's as easy to break as you're saying it is then it isn't worth doing either.
Something I'm also negating is what ISPs could also do is instead of black list sites, or throttle specific sites, whitelist sites instead. So, what they will do is throttle any site that isn't whitelisted under your connection agreement. Then they don't GAF if you VPN or not, they can say they can only guarantee you a connection of 25 mbps or greater for a series of sites and that's it. Ha!
Yes, we all want to go back to the AOL days where our ISP limits the content. In this fantasy world, what would be the point of having internet in the first place? You have yet to explain why an ISP would even want to do this? To make an extra 20 bucks a month? To implement a system that would be insanely difficult to manage? Double call center capacity to handle all the issues with these problems? If you think NN is all about preventing this fantasy problem, you have completely missed the point of NN. Consumers will not allow this thus why it will never be attempted. Data caps are a much more efficient way of dealing with this problem.
I mean it's not like cable companies have been doing things like this for years. Wait, who owns a lot of those same cable companies now?... They will do this because they can now. That's what you're missing. If you don't like what Comcast is doing, in a lot of areas that's all you got. You think we as consumers can drive any of this, we can't. The other issue is that with the internet being the primary means to communicate the ability to cut it out and essentially cord cut in that area is becoming harder and harder to do. It's becoming more of a utility, less of a convenience. Also, VPN traffic interference, and web site whitelisting are not difficult to manage whatsoever. Hell, even just blacklisting a ton of VPN sites would be simple for an isp.
2/3 of Americans only have one high speed internet choice. In open court ISPs admitted they wanted to have a fast and slow lane for internet traffic, giving preferential speed boosts to certain sites. Since NN was enacted we have seen companies like Comcast play nicely with Netflix and integrate their services into Comcast boxes. VCs have invested more money since NN was enacted in startups that are based in internet traffic. In fact, a number of VCs and start ups are against the death of NN. All real stuff folks.
Hey trickle down economic fans, question for you. Why are corporations pushing for removing NN? Genius business minds Republicans know the answer. Profit. That's the only reason. Where will this profit come from? Charging their customers (us)? Or content providers (Netflix, Hulu, etc)? If they charge content providers, what will the content providers do? They'll have to charge us more right? Or do you believe their profit for them doesn't matter anymore? So who is ultimately paying for increased profits for ISPs and mobile data providers? All of us. Maybe you idiots will be mad when you can't go on 4chan and The_Donald anymore; or have to start paying for your p*rn. Let me ask you another question, why do you support this? Why do you want increased profits for ISPs? Or are you just sheep that goes along with the Republican flavor of the day? Republicans will say increased competition decrease prices for consumers. Do you even understand how free market works? It only works when there many choices for the buyer. The same idiots who say healthcare is a free market environment. No, it's only a free market if the buyer has the ability to make choices- that means both options AND time to make that decision. It's not like going out and buying a TV. In economics, a free market is a system in which the prices for goods and services are determined by the open market and consumers, in which the laws and forces of supply and demand are free from any intervention by a government, price-setting monopoly, or other authority. Internet service as it is tied to infrastructure, is inherently limited in the amount of choices. Hence, providers have a monopoly. Additionally like water and electricity, internet has become a necessity and a core utility. Everybody needs internet. We need to keep prices down as much as economically feasible. Some things need to be regulated and policies should be for keeping costs down. It SHOULD NOT be FOR PROFIT.
Well said except Hulu won't be extra if you have Comcast ISP which is how shady this **** is. They could throttle or price out Netflix and others to boost their own brand. Shady AF.
Why do you believe the ISPs want to remove NN and what kinds of initiatives do you think they'll put in place as a result?
Millions in campaign contributions to politicians who support Pai's Whored Out FCC. @Space Ghost thinks they are spending millions for chits and giggles...
I have mentioned I am not opposed to NN. I just do not agree that we are going to see this tiered nonsense. What I expect to happen is any ISP who provides content will start implementing strict datacaps and zero rating their service. Many of these mergers over the last decade should never have happened. People should be more concerned about the data cap restrictions than the NN issues.
Ultimately content providers like Netflix will benefit at the expense of the consumer. Netflix will pay the premium fees that ISP's charge and in doing so block competition from new providers just like you mentioned. I mean, this is obvious as it has happened before. HBO / Cinemax / Showtime have dominated the premium channel market for decades by that very model. The cost of entry is very high and that is what will kill entrepreneurship. This is why Russia is running ads in favor of repealing Net Neutrality because anything it can do to hurt American innovation is good for Russian innovation and entrepreneurship. The New Silicon Valley will be Moscow. And Anti-trust laws are ineffective. Corporations don't care about them for the most part because there's tremendous upside to killing competition compared with the penalty. Once you crush a competitor, paying out a lawsuit is peanuts compared to the gained market share. Look at Netscape. Look at Google. Europe hit Google with a $2.7 billion fine - something the US would never do - for clear anti-trust violations. But consider that google brings in 90B dollars - the cost of the fine is well worth it for being able to vertically integrate and push a new multi-billion dollar platform out that will crush competition and establish Google as top dog for decades in areas such as online shopping. It's not like these lawsuits are going to bring back Alta Vista as a search competitor. Once you dominate a market, you dominate it and can control whom enters.
