the general premise that all packets have equal value is wrong some information is more valuable than other information
WRONG. ISPs should provide ACCESS regardless of content. ISPs getting into the content business hurts the consumer period. But that is the key to this farce. ISPs are already in the content business but they can't make as much money as they would like which is what this scam is really all about. I'm all for removing government regulations when they stifle investment and progress but that's not happening here. Tons of data proving that investment has been occurring and increasing. That data comes from ISPs own Investor Calls and Investor Documentation. btw... this whole idea of free market and government regulation is bullshit. That was Cornyn's position btw. Trust me I'm about as anti-government as you can get but I'm not naive to throw that free market/freedom label around and eat it up like most Republican morons. Bill of Rights, US Constitution, those are also government regulations. You guys want to trash those too?!?! I'm keeping an eye on Beto O'Rourke because Cruz and Cornyn can suck a bag of dicks. They're bought and paid, especially Cruz.
Electricity to power your video game console is less important than the electricity to power your fridge and central air. No one would argue that BUT it's your decision NOT your Electricity Provider. Same goes for Water.
No, it would be better to prevent the anti-competition from happening than to set up an environment that allows and even encourages such violation. Furthermore... how long do such court cases take? Of course Ajit Pai wants these to be drawn out in the courts... he was a former attorney representing for Verizon handling competition matters. Talk about the fox in the hen house...
Some of you are throwing words around to fit your narrative. There are no tiers in power and water. Every power and water utility i've been with charges extra for 'excessive' amounts of usage. If you want to mix and match terms, this is more akin to data caps.
A google search is encrypted traffic. Anything with HTTPS is encrypted from the browser to the site youre visiting. You clearly have no idea how ISP's and networking works. All you guys are doing is making up fantasy scenarios that make absolutely no sense. The only way this can work is if ISP's go to a wall-garden scenario which completely negates the purpose of the internet. Its costly and extremely difficult to manage ... all for the sake of making an extra 15 bucks from a subscriber. Why do you think wireless carriers stopped nickel and diming for everything? Anyone can setup a VPN. I can setup a VPN from my house to your house. Explain to me how an ISP is going to charge extra for that?
Explain to me how you're going to treat water and power different? Are you suggesting water utilities would reduce the amount of water or pressure if they were allowed? They CAN'T. I guess they could put pressure systems on every house, but again, are they really going to pour hundreds of millions of dollars just so they can make a few million extra? How are you going to regulate power? Again, they CAN'T. Stupid argument.
That’s not the point, the point is to demonstrate how utilities work. They can’t? That’s quite the assumption since they could come up with all sorts of plans that could restrict energy or water access based on time of day or geography. It’s not an issue because we decided to make them utilities awhile ago so the infrastructure developed around that.... You are completely missing the point.... but what are the pros of changing the entire system to what the ISPs want?
that's one model, where you would pay for the data used, regardless of type another would be different prices for different types of packets or a mixture of the two (unlimited data for Pokemon Go but caps on other data, for example) a tradeoff to the unlimited data per month model is two people paying the same per month might have wildly different data usages; that's an obvious inefficiency we want ISPs to have the freedom to experiment and offer different pricing schemes to serve their customers here's a Democrat accidentally making the case for this
You're ignoring CONTENT. All major ISPs now own content companies that compete with independent content providers. Get ready for free Hulu access but Netflix surcharges. And you can just about forget independent streams like Periscope and individual streams. They'll be ignored at best and smothered at worst by competition content .
I do appreciate you not getting caught up in the consumer-tiered argument and actually discussing the true merits of NN. The reason why Netflix is always brought up during NN is because they are the ones who are forcing the issue at hand. Netflix was saturating the connections to the point where ISP's had to start throttling Netflix traffic in certain areas just to allow usable internet to the populace in a given area. If I am a customer who is not a Netflix subscriber, why should my internet drop out at 7pm because half of the neighborhood is using Netflix? Its easy to make the ISP the bad guy and tell them they need to spend 100k to upgrade the local POP that only serves a couple hundred people. Its a complex issue that goes beyond what most are talking about here.
On the flipside, why are you penalizing Netflix for being a popular service? An ISP's job is to provide their customers with access to bandwidth. They can't then complain when those customers use the bandwidth how they want to. If an ISP wants to provide data caps or throttle all their bandwidth or anything else and charge consumers more money if they use more, I'm 100% OK with that because that's the core of the relationship between the ISP and their customer. But the ISP shouldn't be picking winners and losers amongst services. They get to decide how much data I use, but they shouldn't be the ones getting to decide *how* I use that data.
Ok so in this fantasy world, I get charged an extra 5 bucks to access Netflix from my connection. Or i'll just VPN to my work connection and just watch netflix free from there. Or use any other free VPN service. Or dozens of other ways to connect to the Netflix site w/out my ISP seeing it. I dont understand why this concept is so hard to understand with some of you. Pirating is ILLEGAL. ISP's get nothing out of people pirating. People torrenting causes a huge burden on their network. If pirating is illegal and ISP's do not want it, then why do they not block it all together? Answer: Its too DIFFICULT.
Don't have an issue with datacaps or throughput as much as content period. Right now I pay an extra $10 for a bigger pipe and while I don't like it it's not the same as an extra $10 for Streaming Services which is what will happen.
VPN service will also be an extra $10 if allowed at all. And earlier I think you confused VPN and SSL/TLS which are NOT the same. Also there is different types of VPNs including encrypted traffic and geolocation services. Again while VPN and SSL/TLS are similar they are different.
Ok, maybe you have reading comprehension issues so let's try this again. They can see where you are connecting to in terms of what VPN server you point to. That isn't masked. The traffic to and from that is encrypted, and they can see a large exchange of encrypted information passed back and forth. They can disrupt the flow of that exchange of encrypted material. Look at Golden Frog's FTC filing for reference. Verizon tried blocking VPN traffic via mobile, this is a known issue. If an ISP sees that you are trying to exchange large quantities of data that are encrypted, or see that you are constantly connected to a VPN they can disrupt this and say it's against their terms. They then can offer you a plan in which you are able to do this at an additional charge. This isn't a fantasy scenario. ISPs have blocked VPNs in the past, and as they get more prevalent can do so in the future. Now, the VPN connection you speak of, you to me, that's harder to block. And yes, we could set something like that up, but that would only disguise the traffic between us. But, at the same time, the blocks that you have I would then have. The connection to a web site would be laundered via your connection. So, if your ISP blocks amazon, and I VPN into your network, I am blocked from Amazon. See, as the VPN provider you are making requests on my behalf and then sending them my way. VPN service providers at large are doing much the same.
