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Colin Kaepernick protests anthem due to treatment of minorities

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  1. JayGoogle

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    The conclusion Vox made is that of the study first of all, they are simply presenting it in an easy to read article.

    As for your point, it's not a good one, those other minorities don't have the stereotypes that black Americans do. Asians, for example, don't carry these stereotypes.

    It's not division pointing out possible discrimination, not more than ignoring possible discrimination, that is what causes division. Trying to work on a way to fix it is how to heal said division.
     
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    Originally? The kneeling BS was a reaction to a police shooting in Colin Kaepernick's home town and the narrative was about cops "murdering" innocent black people. Since that's been proven false, the narrative has switched to some broad idea of inequality of outcome or something like that. There was never a legitimate reason for it, and there still isn't one, but I guess that's too much to expect from some of the most privileged people on the planet.
     
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    But it's not the same input. There's hundreds of variables (outside of race and gender) that makes each person different and that has an influence on different outcomes.I know that you don't want to admit that because it undercuts your world perspective, but there's nothing I can do to help you other than tell you the obvious truth and see if one day you figure it out.
     
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    Certainly there have been black people killed by cops, the problem is that the narrative isn't about people being rightfully or justifiably killed by cops, the narrative is about cops "murdering innocent black people" and that's something that I haven't seen any evidence of. I'm sure it has happened, I'm sure you might be able to find an example of it in the last several years if you looked hard enough, but it's not something that's really a widespread problem and it's not something affecting one community more so than others. In fact, I'd bet if you looked at the numbers when it comes to legitimate cases of cops murdering innocent people, you'd likely find that the victims were mostly white.

    So yeah, the narrative behind the kneeling BS is 100% false even though a lot of people merely jumped on the bandwagon to throw a middle finger up to the president.

    This is true, but also more specifically the case in Colin Kaepernick's home town that directly led to him starting his "protest" was completely justified and the narrative of those protesting in the streets was discredited.
     
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    But I've given you the numbers? I don't have to look hard for it, the stats were given.

    Also, their protest, for better or worse, was far vaguer than that. It was simply against injustice. This isn't from me, this is from them.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/opinion/colin-kaepernick-football-protests.html
     
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    Ok bobby, so if I made identical resumes, but changed the names from Greg Smith to LeBron Smith, and sent the same resumes to hundreds of different companies, which resume would you assume gets more callbacks? Greg Smith right? If so, why is that the case if it's not race?
     
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    This is revisionism, Kaepernick himself said that the reason he was taking a knee was "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people, and people of color" and more specifically "There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder"

    Both of these are false narratives. The US does not oppress black people or "people of color" whatever the hell that means and there are not "bodies in the streets" as related to "people getting paid leave and getting away with murder"

    Now they are popular false narratives, but they are still false.

    Also, the talk that they decided to kneel rather than sit in order to be respectful to the country that the whole point was to "not show pride" in is pretty laughable and is something tacked on after the fact to deflect criticism of the action.
     
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    One has a stupid name, the other has a more normal name....that's not race. Greg Smith can be black and LeBron Smith can be white and you'd get the same results.....

    Names don't have a race, so what you've proven is a preference for more common names, not racism.
     
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    There's no rational reason why a company should prefer one name over another but they still do it, these companies are discriminating against people named LeBron. Since 9/10 times someone named LeBron is black, they are in effect discriminating against black people. Discrimination against black people equals racism. The onus is on employers to stop discriminating based on an irrational preference of common names.
     
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    Applications with names like Bubba, Homer or Jethro wouldn't get a second look either.
     
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    Of course there is. Stupid names like that give the perception of low class, it would be no different if they had a hick name like Bubba. When all other things are equal, small things like that can make a difference. That shouldn't surprise anyone.

    The poor kid named Hitler Foreskin Jones is likely to struggle to get past his name when it comes to putting in job applications, it happens.

    The people you should blame is the parents who give their kids ridiculous names that make that kid's life harder than it has to be.
     
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    They may be one among many other but that doesn't mean the majority of the others weren't justified either. A cause loses credibility when it asks people to rally behind obvious lies.

    As far as the resume thing, I responded to the scenario that was given.
     
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    It's clear that you don't care to listen. Kap said that and he also said other things, they don't contradict each other, so it's possible and very likely he meant both. His comment about the 2nd verse of the anthem probably tells you this.

    Reid, wrote why HE did it, and you still just ignore it for the narrative you want it to be about.

    False narratives. I have given you facts and studies that say otherwise. You can ignore them all you want, but they continue to exist no matter how many times you say that are 'false' it doesn't make them so.
     
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    BS cops have murdered innocent black people exp: the walmart shooting just for one cases and it's not just about black people being killed there has been others so GTFU of here with your false narrative bs open your eyes man.AND HOW CAN ANYONE BE MAD AT THESE PLAYER FOR TAKING A KNEE if you have ever went to any ball game there are people buying beer and walking around like the anthem is not even playing so stop your nonsence and get the real picture.
     
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    Where is that study?
     
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    Causes don't ask anything. On what planet is racism and police brutality a lie?
     
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    I have always found that the best way to "fix" something is to "express" the problem with that something.

    Are you saying that "stereotypes" are the problem? If so, which?
     
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    You can't argue for or against it being justified at all. We don't know how many are justified and how many are not (Although the numbers for Black people being falsely accused are not good either) BLM would wish for fewer people to get killed by cops period I'm sure.
     
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    It's called common sense. You seriously aren't going to argue that going for a job that requires a person to submit a resume that those names would not decrease your chances of employment, are you?
     
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