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Colin Kaepernick protests anthem due to treatment of minorities

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  1. ipaman

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    every damn celebrity who's been exposed recently has apologized so apologies don't matter because they don't erase history.
     
  2. JayGoogle

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    I think things are a lot more nuanced and a lot less black and white then you have it here.

    The computer or phone you are using may be the result of child labor due to one part or two within it. This could be true of many objects that you may purchase unless you are telling me you do extensive research on every product you buy?

    Things are not so black and white. Lincoln freed the slaves all while thinking that black people should get out of the country. What do you think of that?
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    Do you understand the unpragmaticness of using every action one takes as a 'protest' towards autrocities? That's why humans who feel the need to fight for a cause, chose one to care ademently about.

    The way that silicon is manufacturered and sourced out, you are using an electronic device that went through the hands of underpaid workers.

    Since you are typing on Clutchfans which requires an electronic device that has manufactured micro processors, you are being a hypocrite as we speak... According to your logic.
     
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  4. Bobbythegreat

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    The issue is that some people try and use victim status in order to attain power or control over others, if you counter with victim stories, they see that as a threat and that's why they react the way they do. It's worse if you talk about true oppression and actual struggles because most in this country know nothing of it.
     
  5. JayGoogle

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    I honestly think there is just a lack of nuance.

    A failing in seeing the nuance in an action like that or a protest. That people are complex.

    That kneeling is hating America when it's a protest but also failing to understand what the protest is actually about. Then when you tell them, they just say that your experience is invalid and will then whine about their experiences and expect you to care.

    This is the argument against feminism. That feminists are hypocrites because this one country stones women for being raped so why aren't feminist doing anything about it? It's so frail and weak and it's all about deflection, nothing more.

    It's also clear that people care more about some things than others, this should be obvious, but I guess it isn't. For Lynch, the issues of his community are IMMEDIATE to him, moreso than other struggles around the world.
     
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    The problem is when you lie about what the protest was actually about just because it's obvious that it was pushing a false narrative and you want to support it anyway. When the kneeling BS started, it was stated that the reason for it was black people being murdered in the street by cops....that's simply not true and is an absolutely cancerous false narrative. By furthering the cancerous false narrative, players are hurting the communities they are allegedly supporting.....but none of that matters apparently.
     
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    Excellent description of your political positions and general intellect - uninformed, disrespectful, ungrateful, stupid.
     
  8. JayGoogle

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    I have given you an entire page full of stats and studies that show the protest is much more than that. You should read it.

    Your first question should be "Is the narrative false?" and you would think to try and empathize with the aggrieved party instead of assuming they are lying or being dishonest about it.

    I've seen no evidence that they are. I agree that the Mike Brown case was the wrong case for people to stand behind, but that one event doesn't hold more weight than stats.
     
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    You are talking about how they've spun it to be about different things after the initial causes were called out for being false.

    The problem is that the narrative was false, and they are being dishonest about it. Hell you are being dishonest right now by pretending that the protest is about equality of outcome when it comes to sentencing instead of the actual reason for the protests. Even then, equality of outcome is a pretty stupid thing to protest for given that people are in completely different situations that lead to those different outcomes.
     
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    You need a drink or six.
     
  11. ipaman

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    i know it does and i often use myself as an example and that's the difference. i acknowledge that i care about others but not more than myself. other folks act like they do which is the lie.
     
  12. ipaman

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    weak post by a weak poster
     
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    Same input, different outcome is the definition of injustice.

    Same resume, different skin color, the white skin color gets the job the majority of the time. Injustice.
    Same financial background, different skin color, the white skin color gets lower interest rates on a home loan. Injustice.
     
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    you need hooked on phonics and some work ethic.
     
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    The narrative wasn't false. You are telling me that there have been no black people killed by cops? According to you, that was the narrative. According to you, this is false?

    Also, you realize that players all knelt for different reasons? Right? The kneeling that came AFTER Trump made his statements were in protest to the current US President. They've said this, you just either refuse to believe them or just don't care to respect their opinions or views. Which is fine, just don't expect them to care about yours either.

    Yep. You can't make a narrative out of these stats quite frankly.

    People continue to ignore them though because it inconveniences their view of America.
     
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    Most of the high profile cases were discredited by facts, that’s what BTG is referring to as a false narrative.

    As far as the resume thing.....why wouldn’t the majority of the people submitting a job application be getting the job the majority of the time?
     
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    That's a nice subjective opinion of yours.
     
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    Bobby since you feel that the narrative is false what are they protesting about.
     
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    If sentencing is not significantly longer for non-black minorities then it should be appropriate to compare the sentencing difference between blacks and those other minorities. That would be near-typical of Vox to mention only the difference between whites and blacks. Another attempt at division by them.

    Must be something else at work with the sentencing differential.
     
  20. JayGoogle

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    But the cases are just single cases among many. I think you can't extrapolate them to every case.

    With the resume thing, I think it has more to do with names and also that disturbing fact that a black college student has an equal chance at getting a job than a white high school dropout.
     

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