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German election 2017

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Raz, Sep 17, 2017.

  1. Yung-T

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    Read my post again, not putting any words in your mouth, unless you think of yourself as Fox or Trump. Never said that I forgot about the refugee situation or that it isn't an issue, but it's far from the largest issue now and people are smart enough to realize that.

    The cheap AfD sh** regarding refugees unleashing chaos and dragging the country into a civil war here hasn't happened and a lot of voters have begun to realize they won't be affected at a larger scale, which is why AfD lost about half their voters compared to two years ago. It's funny how you are sitting in the USA and try to tell me how dangerous Germany is, when the USA is off far worse.

    Could reverse your statements and ask why you think voting for Trump was a good idea, when the country was already divided and racial tensions were at a peak after the BLM movement. Or maybe you had a masterplan in mind, with Trump being such a comically bad president that all races and colors would soon be united against him.
     
  2. bigtexxx

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    You make some bad assumptions. 1) I didn't vote for Trump 2) Yes, today I'm sitting in Texas, but I have made 6 trips to Germany this year alone and spend a lot of time there - so I have a reasonable feel for what's going on. 3) You think the BLM movement and racial tensions are a top issue in Americans' daily lives? That's hilarious. Stop watching CNN - it's garbage.
     
  3. Yung-T

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    Bad reading comprehension and funny at the same time.
    1) I didn't say that.
    2) So Germans should vote solely based on the refugee issue, but you vote for Trump based on issues unrelated to racial issues and violence? Weird.

    So you know better about the opinion of German people than the actual German citizens who voted, nice to know.
     
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  4. Rashmon

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    Much like trader jorge, I find that if you read bigtexx posts in the voice of Stephen Colbert they can be somewhat humorous and much more enjoyable.
     
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    Lol and germany has a strong economy and continues to lead europe.

    Funny the US employment rate is low too and yet people are still complaining about illegal immigrants taking jobs.
     
  6. bigtexxx

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    Oh brother, here we go again. Yeah, I didn't say what you wrote.

    Hilariously, though, you have no shortage of opinions on American politics, so by your logic you're a complete hypocrite.

    I'm done in this thread - I need a higher quality discussion than what I'm finding here.
     
  7. Yung-T

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    Back to Germany: AfD leader Frauke Petry saying she'll leave the party, as she wants a more conservative and realistic approach and sees how a lot of conservative AfD personal is disappointed with the new leadership. Mentioned how the party is lead by radical voices and in disarray atm, which makes her goal of doing conservative and real politics impossible.

    This is a huge blow to AfD, as Petry was by far their most iconic, intelligent and charismatic politician. She was also the only conservative (at least compared to the rest of AfD) voice left, a lot of people voted for AfD because of her and I think this will destroy the party long-term. I'm pretty sure she'll found a new party soon, which should be an interesting development for German politics. This should play right into the hands of our major parties though, as voters will now be split into the AfD-Petry camp and make it extremely unlikely for AfD to repeat this year's success.

    Edit: Her husband, NRW's (Germany's largest state) AfD leader, also stepping down. AfD is imploding quicker than expected.
     
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    I take the opinions on American politics from this German citizen very seriously bigtexxx. Lol
     
  9. Raz

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    Saw that coming. The last couple of weeks it was obvious that Petry is not as much on the nazi side as her mates. Still, leaving the party one day after the election and still taking that mandate is cheating on voters and the party. So eventhough I appreciate this scum to collapse, which was just a matter of time, she is still not better than them.

    I hope we can get back to serious issues now and this pile of human garbage will disappear rather sooner than later.
     
  10. Yung-T

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    Found this article today, someone with inside info accurately predicted all of this in April. Nice summary and also explains her next steps (creating a pseudo CSU together with her husband and AfD leftovers).
    https://correctiv.org/blog/ruhr/artikel/2017/04/20/afd-spaltung-nach-der-bundestagswahl/
     
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  11. Raz

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    Update here: The only possible coalition ("Jamaica") between CDU/CSU, FDP and Die GrĂ¼ne seems to not come together. They've been talking for a month now without finding a broad agreement. One of the main issues is family unicifaction for approved refugees. The conservative CDU/CSU badly wants to prevent it, the leftist green party wants to enable it, the FDP is relucant because (as usual) of the costs.

    Today appears to be the deadline to find a consensus. If they don't, a reelection is inevitable. Nobody wants that, especially Merkel, but I feel like they will cancel the negotiations soon.
     
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    German politics are a mess. This will only benefit the AfD.
     
  13. Raz

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    Aaaaaand... the negotiations have been abandoned by FDP. So the same **** starts over again.
     
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    Not the FDP's fault, in my opinion. The Greens were acting like they won the election. They wanted this to fail.
     
  15. Raz

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    Not saying it's their fault, just mentioned they were the one who cut the ties, that's all. Guess you had to be present to really know.

    By the way the respective representatives appeared the last days and weeks, my guess is it was CSU's fault. Backwardness, ignorance and internal power struggle are no good combination to find a consensus. Hope they crush next year in the Bavaria votings.
     
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    euro down on likelihood of 2nd election round in DE
     
  17. AroundTheWorld

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    Bunch of morons, all around. I personally still like the FDP best :p.
     
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  18. Raz

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    So after nearly six months we finally got a new government. Merkel has been inaugurated today on her fourth term as chancellor.

    I'm very sceptical about the new cabinet members, especially Seehofer (antiquated) and Maas (spineless) in key positions.

    This is the most accurate illustration of German politics I've seen in a while...

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    I like Spahn and Baer. The rest can go and retire already.
     

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