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There was absolutely no contradiction in anything he wrote, unless you’re willfully trying to misunderstand it.

 

Is there a study, statistic, story that you can produce that backs up your claim that gun crime in Chicago is happening because of legal out of state purchases?

 

It is well known. Here's a start:
https://www.chicagocriminallawyerblog.net/2017/09/where-do-all-illegal-guns-from-chicago.html

 

You failed to answer my question with a question. You gave me an imperative. Anyway, to find a country with the same appetite, we'll need to agree on some unit of measure for appetite. I don't even know where to start on that. People being people, I would think the inherent appetite for drugs would be the same all over, and the differences seen would be ones of opportunity. But that's ideological and not based in data. On guns, no idea.

As for your question, I think it goes without saying that a robust and violent black market for guns would be bad for us. It's just not clear to me that that would be the result.

 

Thats interesting. Thank you.

 

I didn't fail to answer, i didn't on purpose because there is NO country in the world with the same appetite for guns. Make illegal soccer in Brazil, make illegal video games or sushi in Japan, take away Vodka from the Russians, etc... That's how crazy this country is about guns. Taking them away full stop is nuts. Just as nuts as the folks who anti-gun and pro-gun. They're both nuts.

 

You answered, but you forgot to phrase your response in the form of a question, and in Double Jeopardy!, we have to rule against you.

I had an argument with a guy from Australia in a Guatemalan hostel (yes, an irrelevant detail). He asked me why we won't do gun control and he wouldn't accept the explanation of what the gun means in our culture. His counter-argument was that the gun was also iconic in Australia. They had their own Wild West there, and a romance of the self-sufficient pioneer. They had the same western philosophic history of protecting democracy from the tyrant and all that. But, they somehow rolled back gun rights and did a big buyback. So why can't the US. And I don't know the answer to that because I don't know **** about Australia. Are we really so unique (that is, dysfunctional) in our relationship to guns? Do we really love them more than, say, Syria where they really are fighting oppression? Are we going to have gun cultures sprouting all over the Middle East because they live by the gun today and they won't ever want to give them up, even if they achieve peace?

 

You're forgetting the culture of FREEDOM. This is a country where the poorest white folks vote for establishment, millionaire, white conservatives with ideas like minimizing/eliminating capital gains and estate taxes. You think those poor morons have estates and investments accounts? Same thing for poor black folks who were pandered with social freedoms and sure they got the civil rights act but in reality they are still 2nd class citizens on so many levels. I mean Clinton damn near got 90% of their vote and his laws incarcerated an entire generation of black men. People do stupid **** in the name of freedom in this country, don't forget it.

 

For those who care so dearly about the parameters of homicide (rather than gun deaths), democracy (which these countries share to varying degrees), and per capita statistics (which are listed on the left and right).

Basically half the population and 3 times the homicide rate. The gap is SO MASSIVE that any nitpicking about differences in freedom is laughable. Even if you removed 10 of these on a consistent principle, the numbers would still be stupendously bad.

I'll give the gun nuts one thing: this is not JUST about guns, though it certainly is partly about guns.

 

Unsurprisingly you didn't follow along at all per usual. I pointed out an excessively violent but tiny part of the population that commits more than half of the murders in the country and suggested that we focus our efforts there when it comes to getting the murder rate more in line with countries like Canada. If a violent subculture is leading to somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.3% of the population committing more than half of the total murders in the country, perhaps that's a bigger deal than the more flashy but rare examples of mass murder.

You know, focusing on what the real problems are instead of the rare occurrences that are easier to sensationalize. You could completely eliminate mass shootings from the US and not make a substantial dent in the murder rate.

 

Poor people are more prone to commit crime.

That is the only statement you've made in that post.

That doesn't somehow waive a magic wand around and erase the fact that 300 million firearms circulating in this country makes it. SIGNFICANTLY easier for "those more prone to violence" to kill each other.

That has to be absurdly obvious to anyone.

 

If you give desperate poor people access to guns they are more likely to use them to commit crimes. I support limiting their access to guns.

In terms of addressing other factors, I already support more welfare programs and socialized medicine, both of which are factors in countries like Canada and Australia that reduce the amount of violence in those countries. If America could adopt those social programs it would help a lot.

But listen, we ALL KNOW that you don't care about the concerns or plights of "that segment of the population", you are merely using them to get people off of your back when it comes to addressing the problem of access to guns in America. Honestly it's disgusting and the type of behavior that only the scummiest, detestable a-holes exhibit. You're a bad person and I hope you realize that.

 

This is an interesting idea. How would you implement it? Is there a way?

 

This isn't about "desperate poor people" in that there are "desperate poor people" of all demographics and yet you don't get similar results to that one specific portion of one demographic. That points to a different explanation than mere economics....but of course I'm sure you know that you just don't want to accept it and that's likely why you gave such an emotional response. Again, nothing out of the ordinary for you.

 

Not a constitutional way, but I'm sure that won't stop some.

 

Actually in many threads I've addressed this very topic, you didn't buy any of the points I and other people have made but that doesn't make it less true, it just means you're in denial. I'm not going to address it again here because that's not what this thread is about (it's about guns) and I also know that you are just engaging in shameful diversion tactics in order to avoid talking about gun control.

 

You have to actually make legitimate points if you want people to buy them. I pointed out how the difference between the US murder rate and the Canadian murder rate was essentially just one incredibly violent group that is a small portion of a small percentage of the population despite Canada having less than 1/3 the number of guns per capita compared to the US. In short, it's not guns, it's a toxic subculture that glorifies violence, murder, and other types of criminal activity that is more prevalent in the US than anywhere else.

 

Didn't have time to read the whole thread - who won the argument about guns?

 

Stupid won, just like it did a year ago.