1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[Official] Astros Offseason Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Nov 2, 2017.

  1. jim1961

    jim1961 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2010
    Messages:
    18,457
    Likes Received:
    14,665
    I understand. I just took advantage of the opportunity to say some additional things. All that I said wasn't meant to be aimed at you.
     
    Snake Diggit likes this.
  2. jim1961

    jim1961 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2010
    Messages:
    18,457
    Likes Received:
    14,665
    I agree with most all of that. I just dont want us to become complacent.
     
  3. The Stig

    The Stig Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2010
    Messages:
    2,117
    Likes Received:
    264
    Best way to sell Otani for Houston is ask him if he wants to be another Japanese player on the Yankees, Dodgers, etc or do you want to create a legacy by setting forth your own path. The impact of a Japanese player in cities like Houston can reap benefits on and off the field... almost Yao-like if you’re as good as advertised.
     
    CometsWin, Pen15clubber and megastahr like this.
  4. MrBear1

    MrBear1 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2012
    Messages:
    1,249
    Likes Received:
    481
    No San Francisco for Otani? I think they could be high on the list too.
     
  5. MrBear1

    MrBear1 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2012
    Messages:
    1,249
    Likes Received:
    481
    I get what you're saying but China is like 12 times bigger than Japan.
     
  6. Snake Diggit

    Snake Diggit Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2012
    Messages:
    14,848
    Likes Received:
    24,173
    Giants are in that 2nd tier. They are in the NL which complicates the idea of him being a 2-way player plus they were terrible last season and their core is aging. But they do have a shot because of their city.
     
  7. Major

    Major Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 1999
    Messages:
    41,681
    Likes Received:
    16,205
    Yao had an impact because he was the first great Chinese player in the NBA. Otani isn't breaking any barriers or anything like that - there have been plenty of great Japanese players before him. He's not going to be more famous or more impactful by going to Houston than he would a west coast team or the Yankees.
     
  8. megastahr

    megastahr Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2008
    Messages:
    3,383
    Likes Received:
    1,303
    We had matsui and aoki

    Although the weather where he plays isn't really similar to Houston. A lot of Japan is hot and humid like Osaka most of the island is hot and humid. I've been all over Japan it's surprising how similar the weather is to Houston in a lot of the very small country.

    Plus there is very large Japanese import export business done through Houston ports and some of Japan's biggest companies oil/energy and manufacturing base in Houston. The last 2 years have seen a large increase in Japanese businesses and residents. Our food imports from Japan have increased dramatically over the last five years. We have a huge Japanese super market which is Japanese businessmen preparing for even more growth as a result of the dramatic increase in Japense businesses.
     
  9. megastahr

    megastahr Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2008
    Messages:
    3,383
    Likes Received:
    1,303
    H
    Not likely in the NL he wants to dh.
     
  10. Major

    Major Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 1999
    Messages:
    41,681
    Likes Received:
    16,205
    Two players that no one cares about. Based on this, almost every team in MLB has a Japanese connection.

    Why on earth would Otani care about any of these things? You think being hot and humid and having a Japanese supermarket is how he's going to make his decision where to play?
     
    Snake Diggit and PavlovsDog like this.
  11. megastahr

    megastahr Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2008
    Messages:
    3,383
    Likes Received:
    1,303
    You asked what the connection with Japan was.......seriously?

    Point Is houston is becoming more and more "connected" with Japan....

    If you go to another country to live you will likely want a place that has some connection to your culture. In fact almost every Japanese player has chosen a market with at least that.

    Aoki and matsui may not mean something to you but every Japanese player that makes it in the MLB is a legend.

    These aren't really difficult jobcrots not sure why it's difficult for you to put it together...
     
  12. Major

    Major Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 1999
    Messages:
    41,681
    Likes Received:
    16,205
    Except I didn't.

    By those standards, lots of MLB cities can make that case.

    Absolutely true - and none have picked Houston.

    There are about 30-40 Japanese players that have played in MLB over the last 20 or so years, and they've played for a whole bunch of teams. Relatively speaking, Houston has had fewer Japanese players than many other teams. This is not a pro-Houston argument.
     
  13. Astrofan59

    Astrofan59 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2014
    Messages:
    545
    Likes Received:
    544
    Otani will sign with Houston if the front office can put together a package that he feels is the best for him, same goes for every other front office.
     
  14. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    59,806
    Likes Received:
    132,376
    You can’t count on that being happening again. The Astros will certainly be aggressive in adding a very good reliever through trade (most likely) or free agency. The Astros went very hard at three high end relievers at the deadline. Giles will be back and may even close, but the Astros will have a very adequate back up player in place.
     
  15. white lightning

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2002
    Messages:
    2,567
    Likes Received:
    741
    Astros do not have the upper hand:
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ly-to-sign-with-mlb-in-costly-move/105569680/

    "In the signing period that began July 2, 12 teams are prohibited from giving signing bonuses of more than $300,000 as penalties for exceeding their bonus pools under the previous labor deal: Atlanta, the Chicago Cubs and White Sox, Cincinnati, Houston, Kansas City, the Los Angeles Dodgers, Oakland, St. Louis, San Diego, San Francisco and Washington." ..."Otani would receive a 2018 salary at or just above the major league minimum of $545,000. He would not be eligible for salary arbitration until after the 2020 season and for free agency until after the 2023 season."
     
  16. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 1999
    Messages:
    26,331
    Likes Received:
    16,657
    Can't count on it, but not end of the world if they don't replace him. I tend to believe Verlander that the balls were too slick to throw sliders effectively. If MLB doesn't get ball fixed, Giles is done because he's a one trick pony.
     
  17. No Worries

    No Worries Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    32,781
    Likes Received:
    20,554
    Predicting destinations for top 25 free agents

    1. Yu Darvish, 31, RHP
    2. Shohei Ohtani, 23, RHP/DH
    3. J.D. Martinez, 30, OF
    4. Jake Arrieta, 32, RHP
    5. Eric Hosmer, 28, 1B
    6. Wade Davis, 32, RHP
    7. Mike Moustakas, 29, 3B
    8. Greg Holland, 32, RHP
    9. Jay Bruce, 31, OF
    10. Lorenzo Cain, 32, OF
    11. Lance Lynn, 31, RHP
    12. Alex Cobb, 30, RHP
    13. Zack Cozart, 32, SS
    14. Yonder Alonso, 31, 1B
    15. Logan Morrison, 30, 1B/OF
    16. Carlos Santana, 32, 1B/DH
    17. Carlos Gonzalez, 32, OF
    18. Jason Vargas, 35, LHP
    19. Addison Reed, 29, RHP
    20. Brandon Morrow, 33, RHP
    21. Anthony Swarzak, 32, RHP
    22. Eduardo Nunez, 31, 2B/SS/3B/OF
    23. Todd Frazier, 32, 3B
    24. Jonathan Lucroy, 32, C
    25. CC Sabathia, 37, LHP
     
  18. MadMax

    MadMax Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 1999
    Messages:
    76,683
    Likes Received:
    25,924
    If Ohtani goes to the Yanks, I sure hope he's overrated.
     
  19. Snake Diggit

    Snake Diggit Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2012
    Messages:
    14,848
    Likes Received:
    24,173
    Hope most of those predictions aren’t true, otherwise the Yankees, Mariners, and Rangers are going to be a lot better next season.
     
  20. jim1961

    jim1961 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2010
    Messages:
    18,457
    Likes Received:
    14,665
    I am not too worried about the Rangers and Mariners catching us. But the Yankees getting a lot better could be troubling.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now