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Gurriel caught being racist to Yu Darvish

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by TheRealist137, Oct 27, 2017.

  1. Smacktle

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    A lot of angry people here. You're racist, no you're racist! All a bunch of NIGYSOB.

    Still no solutions, just a bunch of complaints.

    Love for one another is the solution, but people would rather hold on to their anger and righteousness than reach over and shake each other's hand. Grace wins everytime.
     
  2. tmacfor35

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  3. count_dough-ku

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    It's not about condoning racism. It's more about not making a federal case out of it. Yuli did what he did. He apologized. Darvish didn't seem fazed be it. Let's move on.
     
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  4. DavidRocket

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    Amen, I ain’t even mad
     
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  5. RedRedemption

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    You can post your opinion, but you can't change the societal consensus on what is or isn't considered offensive to ethnic groups. It applies to Asian people as well. Just like one single Asian person saying he's offended by people using chopsticks is ridiculous, another Asian person saying he's never offended by anything is ridiculous as well.

    There's a nice middle ground that I believe everyone more or less can agree with (Yuli ****ed up, he's not racist, let's give him a light slap on the wrist and let's move on) but people are just being combative for no reason.
     
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  6. ipaman

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    Ironically Yu Darvish did exactly what you said no one is doing. Props to Yu for not being a SJW c*nt.
     
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  7. DudeWah

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    The last part is what I have a major problem with and it outlines a much bigger issue in our society.

    This notion that minorities shouldn’t be offended by certain racist/insensitive things and if they are, it’s just faux outrage, is ridiculous.

    I don’t now where this idea comes from that everyone should just deal with insensitive and hateful stuff because “that’s what you gotta deal with.”

    It’s really bad.

    And instead of just saying, we should all strive to be better and not act in an insensitive and self centered way, there seems to be this doubling down of “I have a right to act as ‘non pc’ (read: like an *******) as I want because of the first amendment!”

    What is this? Everyone should read what Darvish wrote. We’re all human. Be better.

    And that includes the actual faux outrage SJW who just piggyback on people who have an actual gripe and blow things out of proportion, thereby making the original group who has a legitimate concern look worse in the process.
     
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  8. ipaman

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    What Darvish wrote is great but no one has the right to not be offended.

     
  9. Hustle Town

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    Thanks for the compliments but thank you more for being open to listening. I do have a problem with what Yuli did. I don't think people should ever be mocked for something they can't control. What he did was wrong. I think if you look at precedent, Yuli deserves no more than a 2 game suspension (which still feels too high for me but I'll defer to precedent). So I have a problem with that. I also have a problem with overreaction and hypocrisy. The internet is probably not a good place for me to be, but I am (unfortunately) still here. Most of the reaction on Twitter is not a true reaction to wanting to stop racism. Most of the people there are motivated more by the Dodgers not having to face Yuli, or they want to be outraged by something. Some of these people are overtly biased, and some of them are only subconsciously so. When I see these people mercilessly criticizing him, I get upset. A few people on this thread have a brought up a valid concern involving cultural differences (yes, they exist). Yuli should not be applauded for what he did, but it also makes no sense to condemn him and act like he is a rotten guy who hates Japanese people. Because that's clearly not the case. He apologized, and Darvish accepted the apology. Both of them should be applauded for that. But that's not enough for the outraged people in LA and in the sports media who are out for blood. I hope Yuli appeals the suspension, and it gets reduced to 2 games or less.
     
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  10. DudeWah

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    Thank you for expressing and explaining your thoughts.

    This is honestly very close to my own sentiment and I agree.

    I also agree that the social media warriors aren’t these paragons of justice that they portray themselves as. A lot of them have biased and selfish reasoning to try and demonize whichever target they pick that day.

    And as I wrote above, I honestly believe that when the social media army goes into a full offensive over and over again, it eventually makes a lot of people with middle of the road opinions feel targeted and in turn they shift towards a more defensive position. I think this in itself completely undermines the original gripe of the group who actually has a legitimate concern.

    And truly, I don’t know how we as a society will move past that. Because it’s a pretty damn big issue. But I hope we can all take time to consider where the other side is coming from and tone down the ferocity of our opinions just a little bit to try and understand the situation better.
     
  11. RedRedemption

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    Yeah that part is what ticked me off in this thread at first. Like just be a human being, I'm sure most people aren't going to be assholes to other people for zero reason. That's the same logic here. It's not a big deal, just be a normal empathetic human being.
    I agree that nobody has the "right" not to be offended and that it shouldn't devolve into witch hunts and the like...
    But I mean is it that hard to just be a human being? You don't have to shower someone with love and affection, just don't be an *******. I think that's a fair thing to expect from people.
    Great post. While I don't always agree with you, you always make an attempt to be reasonable and cool-headed.
    Bolded everything I agree with and sympathize with.

    If there's anything that liberals have to look inward and fix before they become hypocritically out of touch... it's the social justice warrior aspect. There is nothing to be gained for backing a group of people into a corner and dehumanizing everyone that doesn't agree with you.
     
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    LA sports fans are outraged that one of our best players isn't suspended for a World Series game against their team.

    In other news, Houston is humid.
     
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  13. CometsWin

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    Apparently you haven't read the thread where post after post is condoning racism.

    By the way, when is it okay to make a federal case? When someone makes a racist gesture on national television in the World freaking Series? If not now then when? Give us the guidebook.
     
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    I'm sure he's okay bro. Try not to get too bent out of shape about it.
     
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    Are you trying to be ironic? Easy fella....No need to be uncivil. Pretend we are all on a bus together.
     
  16. fiersdownbelow

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    Aww you get your feelings hurt in this thread?
     
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  18. Dankstronaut

    Dankstronaut Way, way out here.

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    We, as a nation, desperately need to take everything out of the vacuum. Stop being obsessed with being perceived as right or having the right reaction. Gesturegate and like, geez, RACISM. That boldfaced hatred, violence, and despair...they aren’t the same thing.
     
  19. swyyyguy

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    Let’s see if they bean Gurriel this inning!
     
  20. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    We are all flawed. And I am glad he apologized. Seems like a good guy.

    Sad that some people tough want to defend bias and instead criticize people for not liking what he said. That's truly pathetic
     

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