[Unofficial 2017 World Series] Houston Astros vs. Los Angeles Dodgers

Kluber did not pitch Game 1 vs NYY. He was rested and available.

Hobbled players usually DNP if their team is winning a series -- 2015, CP3 Game 2 vs HOU - 2016 Curry vs HOU - 2017 Kawhi Game 6.

McHugh pitched well this postseason. It's not like Fiers was being suggested.

Glad the Astros executed vs Sale, but he was already deteriorating entering the playoffs. His relief appearance was *better* than Keuchel's numbers last night. Most posters have said were very good.

Keuchel made more than 2 bad pitches. He left some over the plate that were either 1) hit right at a fielder or 2) not swung at.

He didn't pitch well.

 

Did anybody else go to the watch party at MMP last night? I had a blast sitting in the stadium watching the game. Roof was open. FYI if you go, either eat before you get there or get there early. Lines were extremely long for everything except the bathrooms and store.

 

Thats the reason I mentioned "taboo". Psychologically it is a bad idea.

It is more of a what if exercise. Lets Say we score 4 runs on Yu Darvish. Who is more likely to hold (based on history) to dodgers to under 4. Keuchal or mortcullers. Yankees game 7 not withstanding.

I am hoping on figuring out Kershaw a little the next game. The yanks figured out Keuchal. Starts with getting Springer a hypnotist. Dude is a basket case at the plate. At this point give Derek Fisher a shot if Springer sh*ts the bed tonight. Good message? No. But there is no tomorrow. To hell with messages. This is about getting the ball across the goal line. Hell Mike Fiers was slinging beer in the club house and that dude kept us above water and was our best pitcher for a month or whatever.

I know we are the underdogs. But DAMM it would be nice to finally win a world series. Need the Codger pitchers to makes some mistakes.

 

Keuchel would've went Games 2 and 6.

He pitched terribly during his short-rested relief appearance vs KC 2015.

 

It just seemed like we didn't put any fear into them. We didn't threaten them in any way. Well, maybe except for Bregs' tying run in the 4th.

We would need to show more fire and hunger in Game 2.

 

His pitches were starting to go all over the place.

 

Kluber's next start will be in March 2018 because the Indians got cute, looked ahead and had to bring him back for game 5 on short rest. AND, had they won the ALDS, would have been Kluber-less for the first two games of the ALCS. You really though that was a good example?.......

Also, in this scenario, Kluber = Kershaw, not Keuchel.

Nope, worse - the suggestion was that the Astros essentially concede a game by knowingly starting an inferior pitcher.

You're assuming it's luck; Keuchel's primary weapon is inducing soft contact that his fielders can gobble up & keeping hitters off-balance. He pitched well, save for two bad pitches.

 

On what planet was Kluber short-rested for Game 5?

On Earth, he pitched 10/6 and 10/11.

Doesn't matter. Keuchel and JV are our 1 and 2. The point is not pitching either vs Kershaw.

McHugh pitched well this postseason. Pitching Fiers or Liriano would be conceding.

Since every pitch matters, you're saying he did NOT pitch well. Two bad pitches can spoil an outing.

Btw- A pitch is NOT only bad if the outcome is bad. You already know that, but since you're debating, denial will set.

 

after giving up a HR, to a righty, on the opening pitch, the lefty Keukel had settled down.
in the 7th, w 2 outs, no one on base, Keukel walked the righty Taylor. and the righty Turner, the hottest hitter in this playoff, was on deck.

Should Hinch have ordered a walk to the hottest hitter (a righty), and take the chances against a Lefty batter, Bellinger, who
has been average in the playoff. wouldn't "Lefty against lefty" be a better % play ?

 

Intentionally putting the go-ahead runner into scoring position with 2 outs would be incredibly silly regardless. Not to mention that Bellinger has a .900+ OPS vs. lefties as well. ...so no.

 

Turner's OPS in the playoff is > 1.000

Bellinger is batting ~ 270 vs. turner's > 340​

do you not understand that the walk to Taylor had already put the winning run on base, w turner at bat ?

 

What are you guys arguing about? It's pretty simple. We should have pitched around the hobo to get to the lefty. This ain't rocket science.

 

Contradict much?

You forgot what you said just one hour earlier.

LMAO

 

You asked a question, I answered. It sounds like you already have an opinion, and your question was more of a statement. But I'll reply and attempt to not go the condescending route that you chose anyway.

A runner on 1st is markedly different from a runner on 2nd. To put someone on 2nd where a single drives in the go-ahead run is not smart. To do it intentionally is even worse.

If you think Bellinger is FAR worse than Turner--as in, Bellinger is like a pitcher batting, and Turner is what he's been in the playoffs, then perhaps you can consider it. I choose to think that a guy who OPS'ed .950 vs righties and .900 vs lefties while crushing balls all season is a pretty good/dangerous hitter, and not one you want to put in a position where he can beat you with a single.

 

Hinch doesn't have pitchers pitch around guys. For a lot of reasons, which I can understand--whether or not I agree with the concept.

He's saying he should've intentionally walked Turner. I think that's silly.

 

I blew my own worst advice- I said I wasn't going to get upset about any games this World Series- win or lose, I was going to accept the results calmly and rationally.

Then, the Turner home run happened.

And I started making the Jack and Cokes doubles.

I took a plastic clipboard and smashed it into pieces on my desk.

I took the Springer Superman bobblehead and threw it underneath my bed.

I called my friend in Boston and ranted at him for 30 minutes about how unfair it is that he's been able to experience 10 championships since 2000 and we've had zero. I think I cussed out Brady, Pedroia, KG, Manny Ramirez, Kendrick Perkins, Johnny Damon, and Tim Thomas all in the same sentence. He listened patiently, then hung up.

I slept on the wood floor in the upstairs office. My wife locked the bedroom door and texted me "You're upstairs tonight. Sleep it off."

I haven't drank like that in over 10 years. Honestly. I literally can't afford to drink b/c it gets me too tired and I can't get work done, which costs money.

I just lost it. No excuses, just one among several embarrassing meltdowns I've had here.

We'll be OK. We'll get 'em tonight.

 

Oops; you're right. I'm not sure how October 10th popped in my head.

Which is dumb. Super dumb.

Pitching any other pitcher than your best available because, "Oh, well - we can't possibly beat their best pitcher" is conceding. If you want to find degrees of conceding, have fun.

He pitched extremely well. Hell, even the pitch Turner yanked was a well-sequenced, effective pitch: 87 MPH cutter, up and in on a 1-2 count. The pitch had a 13% chance of being a hit. It was just the 14th hardest hit ball of the night. Kershaw had a groundball that was hit harder. That's baseball.

Anyway, I have no interest in debating the finite semantics of a bad pitch with you. He has pinpoint control and, at his best, is a master at inducing soft contact. If the "bad" pitch results in an out, he played a role in that.

 

Oh well you'll get a chance to sleep well tonight or go through it again

 

The series will be 1-1 tonight and the stros will have done there job taking 1 in LA with our best pitcher. Embrace the process to 4 more wins fellas

 

Oh, no, I'm done with alcohol for at least the next month or so. Not worth it. Actually, the most important thing is that the anger is not worth it.

If sports makes you get that angry, you shouldn't watch. I'm going to a watch party on Friday and Saturday, so I'm passing on the game tonight. Tomorrow, when I check the score, I hope and pray they have split. If not... oh well.