Colin Kaepernick protests anthem due to treatment of minorities

#1 Collusion has occurred before in professional sports and has been proven.

#2 The issue isn't "keeping the black man down".

#3 Collusion will be nearly impossible to prove without a whistle blower, but CK wins either way because he brings even more attention to the issue.

I can tell you that there are a lot of moderates that believe that NFL players should be standing for the anthem and do view it as disrespectful. I don't think this is a clear cut topic/issue that America agrees on. Some of the polls I have seen have a slight majority believing that they should stand.

 

Im pretty sure the fans would be more vocal about the domestic abuse if the players were beating up their women on the field or we were forced to watch it on TV during the game. Neither are the case fortunately and unfortunately.

 

Playing pro sports is a privilege. You better be on top of your game if you wanna be an activist.

A big issue is his fall off and deciding to this in the midst of falling off. Where is his head is a legitimate question

 

I don't think those people are moderate. I'll call them brainwashed especially if they think this somehow is meant to be disrespecting the veterans.

I think this country is really skewing what 'moderate' is. Most developed nations don't have this level of jingoism run rampant where a knee bend during a anthem invokes a 'patriot' vs 'enemy of the state' divide that we see millions of Americans do in this country. It's frightening the level of unhinged nationalism this country is heading towards.

 

Maybe Colin should beat up his girlfriend or rape a co-ed then he'd get a job ASAP.

 

I know lots of people who won't watch football because of domestic violence stuff. all women.

why would anyone boycott over PEDs? it literally affects nobody. As for CTE, like i said, everyone agrees. CTEs bad. Its not a controversial issue. But to the issue, lots of parents won't let their kids play football for this reason.

The NFL never supported these actions. They punished him harder than the legal system.

Does raping someone magically make you good at football?

 

Let's create a Venn Diagram. One circle of people who are upset enough over players committing domestic abuse and boycotting and the other circle of people boycotting the NFL over the knee bend. The part of the diagram that overlaps include people I might disagree with quite adamantly but at least they have SOME logical consistency. Then there is part of the cirlce for the knee bending irkers that isn't overlapped. Those people are disgusting pieces of ****,

Because that part of the diagram proves that they were more triggered regarding a knee bend over a grown 250 lb man smacking the **** out of a defenseless woman.

 

the people boycotting the NFL are boycotting because of the organizations actions (or their team). The events you mentioned above (domestic violence and rape) are an individual players actions, and those players absolutely get admonished by the public. They lose millions of dollars in endorsements because of the response from the public.

Cam Newton just lost millions from Dannon for his sexist comments. How much has Ray Rice lost from his actions?

 

loosing sponsers because you beat the **** out of a defenseless human is merited.

Loosing sponsers and a job because people are irked over a knee bend isn't merited. That is my argument.

Rationally, we should be more upset over the people irked over the knee bend because that actually is a telling symptom of the jingoist culture that this country is headed towards. Systemic 'Blind patriotism' is worrying.

 

depends why you bend the knee. Isn't it the players who keep claiming the knee bend is symbolic? What if you bend the knee to show support of the KKK?

 

He's already better at football than the majority of NFL quarterbacks. Kevin Hogan and Case Keenum are starting quarterbacks right now. Seriously?

If being good were the hiring criteria he'd already have a job.

 

Your takes really do embrace an unbiased hollistic perspective. You understand the machine man.

I remember your posts about the way the rockets hierarchy in decision making with les and morey worked. You even prefaced it “for better or for worse” as to let people know you werent worshipping or mindlessly blaming the power each one had.

your posts seemed to be trying to figure out the truth from a macro perspective rather than pledging extreme loyalty to one side while simultaneously villifying the other.

I dont think ive ever seen you make a “chicken with its head cut off” post.

Do you have a law degree? Lol.

 

Good for them and get back to me when we have the President and a national movement against NFL players domestic violence. Heck get back to me when we have 50 plus page thread on CF.net on the subject. In the meantime if you read that article I posted you will see that the NFL isn't paying a penalty financial or otherwise regarding domestic abusers. Joe Mixon who broke a woman's face is playing on Sundays.

Not surprising you would feel that way given that you pretty much discount externatilities. PED's do have negative health affects and that there has been rampant abuse of them in professional sports that translates down to even the amature levels. PED's use for people still physically developing can be very detrimental but when kids seeing what that their idols are doing are more likely to try it. On top of that the competitiveness of youth sports towards getting scholarships, minor league contracts and etc.. also makes it attractive for younger players to try PED's. CTE also is showing a strong correlation towards not just negative health affects to those who have them but also to things like diminished decision making leading to increased violence. Further the NFL has long downplayed or swept under the rug the problems with both of these and we aren't seeing negative fan reaction to both.

Yet he is still playing with little controversy even though he's past his prime. As opposed to Kaepernick who also while not a top tier QB many are sying shouldn't play because of a symbolic protest.

 

Obviously context matters. If the context is bending a knee to highlight that this nation isn't infallible and we, American citizens, need an introspective look at our policing state then no, not a single person besides racists hiding behind nationalism should be irked.

 

Yes, I founded a law firm in Illinois, Ohio and N. Ireland.

 

Why would i protest somebody taking a drug that only hurts them? why would i care? As far as this kids imitating them, I'm not gonna punish someone for that. Raise your own kids. Do you care if a pro football player smokes?

what do you want the NFL to do about CTEs that they are not now? CTEs bad. we get it caveman lawyer.

Nobody is saying this. Everyone is saying he shouldn't be hired because hes a distraction at the work place and majority of the fanbase hate his guts. bad for business. Also because he sucks at football.

Keenum is far better than Kapernick. Hogan is a rookie......

 

Except with the case of Kaepernick that was an individual action that later was joined by individuals. It didn't become a team thing until Trump weighed in that teams should fire players for kneeling. For things like domestic abuse that is also about how much teams and the leagues hold players accountable. Yes they have a policy punishing players but as noted we have players who are known domestic abusers yet are playing again while Kaepernick isn't. Anyway as we can all agree the NFL will only really act if they feel financially threatened which comes back to the fans. Fans seem more willing to boycott over a symbolic gesture than behavior that is actually physically harmful and in many cases criminal.

 

Fans punish the NFL for NFL choices they punish players for players choices. Not complicated. People are boycotting the NFL or certain teams because of their inaction.

 

I knew it. It was obvious based on the perspective you have in your posts. My dad and that whole side of the family are lawyers and its my plan to go to law school in a year or two.

I hope you and @MadMax keep practicing and spitting truth!

 

As noted it hurts others too. PED's also are tied to increased violence that directly hurts others. Abuse of drugs like PED's have many negative societal effects but again you ignore externalities.

This would be better served in another thread but there are many things regarding further rule changes and equipment changes that can be done. One radical solution is to actually do away with helmets as that reduces the impetus to use your head as a weapon. Without elaborating much further yes there is a lot of changes.

And why do the the fan base hate him as opposed to a guy who beats his GF, wife and /or kids the fan base doesn't hate their guts?