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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Oct 12, 2017.

  1. Commodore

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    I think one of the biggest misconceptions people like you have with healthcare and how the GOP sees healthcare is they only care about the premium cost. They don't care about what that premium covers.

    There is emperical evidence that since the ACA was fully implemented, that we have seen a drastic decreased in American families filing for bankruptcy. It makes sense, the number one reason an American family files for bankruptcy is due to medical costs that isn't covered by insurance.

    What the GOP want to do with a sleight of hand is show one varaible 'premiim costs' and not include the other varaible which is how much coverage that premium will ential. Trust me, it's going g to entail caps and denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions. So when you are 50 and **** hits the fan such as you being diagnosed with prostate cancer and then you use up your cap within a few months...

    You be ****ed. That's what the GOP wants to blatantly ignore. They just want to advertise a nice fancy low premium number and ignore every other aspect of health care costs.

    And it's one of the biggest issues with your average GOP voter now a days. Their reasoning skills are only applicable to extremely trivial short term goals.

    Expect an increase in bankruptcies being filled due to people being drawn to "omg lower premiums' and then relaxing those lower premiums won't cover their long term cancer treatment.
     
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    Trump is a secret Scientologist agent from New York that is being manipulated by behind the scenes power brokers to bring single payer to America.

    It will be painful short term, but Democrats should love Trump right now. He's doing more to get us to single payer than Obama ever did.
     
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    We would have real healthcare reform pretty quickly if Trump will do this, but they would retaliate against Trump in a highly intemperate manner if he did. This really could be the beginning of all out war between Trump and the US Congress.

    It is an interesting trade off. He will be under pressure to do this and you know he will want to. Will cooler heads prevail? We will see.
     
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    The Democrats are insisting on a bailout of Obamacare, and failing to get it, are stomping their feet and refusing to cooperate. Obamacare is not going to be bailed out, nor should it be. It has been tried and it has failed. Doubling down on this failure is the most spectacularly foolish direction that could be chosen at this point, and it is the only alternative that the Democrats are willing to consider - and that requires a huge government bailout of this monstrosity.

    Hopefully after the 2018 election midterms the Republicans will be in a better place to try to pass a permanent fix through Congress. Until then, the changes that Trump is introducing appears to be the best option on the table. So, there it is.
     
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    Bailout?. I guess people forget all the uproars against Republican repeal and kill, and how the nation WANT Obamacare fixed not destroyed. But hey, election does have consequences.
     
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    It hasn't failed especially in states that fully embraced it and accepted all the federal dough for medicaid expansion such as Massachusetts.

    I mean it isn't that much of a coincidence that the States with idiot conservative governors who wanted to protest Obama by denying access to federal expansion money are the same states that still have high uninsured numbers and a rate of premium increase that is relatively higher.

    I guess those govenors care more about politics than the care of their constituents.
     
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    Or he is going to collapse some insurance companies. Hopefully what trump does causes us to get to single payer faster. Obamacare is just stop plugs on a broken healthcare system.
     
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    The insurance companies won't collapse. They aren't stupid. Trump for example would never be able to be the CEO of an insurance company. Big insurance companies don't fail and honestly they don't need bailouts like banks.

    What will happen is prices will inflate to such a point and insurers leaving the individual market will put such a need in the marketplace that the pressure to bring a public option at a minimum will be so great that either Republicans will compromise on it or Democrats will get elected. Once that happens the writing will be on the wall.

    What's sad is that people supporting Republicans who think they are trying to prevent single payer are being hoodwinked. Republicans don't care what the insurance system looks like in 5, 10, 15, 20 years, etc. They just want to have an issue to get elected on.
     
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    And that issue is a very short term decrease in premiums regardless of what those premiums cover. As long as they can sell to their constituents that they lowered premiums for like a year, they will in their minds believe they were successful.
     
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    Wouldn't it be ironic that Trump's attack on millions of people's access to health care insurance also ends up costing the US government

    Trump's Latest Obamacare Killer Will Cost Uncle Sam $194 Billion
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
     
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    https://www.kff.org/health-reform/p...61692138&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
     
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    If you think he is doing the right thing, why lie about it? Trump is trying to end ACA, not make it work better for all Americans.
     
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    The bigger question is why do people propagate stupid polls like this pretending they actually represent the general population.
     
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    Lol @ bailout

    What a truly dense statement.

    This is sabotage, plain and simple . The right has done evrrything in it's power to hurt citizens, from dismantling the risk corridors thanks to Marco Rubio, to not expanding states Medicare, to now ending subsidies.

    This does nothing but hurt people.

    I feel no sympathy for idiot Trump voters who have no idea what they have done to themselves.
     
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    The sooner Obamacare dies, the sooner the resistance to an actual working plan will end and IMO that's a good thing.
     
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