I’ve been for the 2nd Amendment my whole life. Until last night.

The constitution was written over 200 years ago. Communication technology has changed dramatically in the last 200+ years....and imagine what it will look like 200 years from now.

It's clear we must repeal the first amendment. Free speech and a free press are nothing more than antiquated ideas. The founders didn't consider that one day there would be Russian troll farms.

 

What right would you or I "give up" by taking simple training and obtaining a license, just like for our two-ton death traps? No rights surrendered.

 

So then you agree that it's not taking anyone's right to vote away by requiring photo ID and a voters education course before being allowed to cast a ballot?

 

Easy, ban any gun that has any receiver compatible parts with any production automatic weapon. Ban any gun that can be converted by easily modifying a part of the gun or with a simple replacement part. Also ban any device designed to speed up the firing of a firearm to more than a shot per second which includes bump fire and binary triggers.

 

Just say what you mean, you want to ban all semi-automatic weapons. While I'd still disagree with what you propose, it would come across as a lot more honest if you just said it that way.

 

I would hope you would have picked up a hint of realistic sarcasm in the tone of my post. Obviously the forethought of our founders was incredible. To this day many parts of the constitution and Bill of Rights hold our leaders in check in many ways. My only point was that the 2nd amendment isn't some un-debatable Right that we could think about for the modern era where we now have access to police force, national guard, etc. A formidable Militia in 2017 would do more harm than good in keeping the power in check. As we've seen in the past 100 years with the militias (Antifa in Europe & Spain for example) formed to take up arms against a corrupt government, it gives government the reasoning to overreach in their power and it leads to actual fascist dictatorships.

I don't know ANYONE that thinks we should abolish the 2nd amendment. That is just such a stupid FoxNews agenda talking point. However, the 2nd amendment fanatics know there is a problem in this country, and they own that law as much, if not more, than anyone. If they care about the law continuing relevance in 2017, its up to them to not protect the law by preserving it in a form that allows for more bloodshed, but preserving it in a form that allows it to continue relevance. So.... 2nd Amendment enthusiasts.... its up to you to figure this S#$* out, or your 2nd amendment which is held dear to your hearts will lose its ability to hold firm.

 

A lot of y'all are likening the Second Amendment to the First Amendment when the language of the Second is different and has an prefatory clause. Even under the Heller decision that verified personal ownership of firearms that decision also verified that regulations and restrictions on ownership and use of firearms was allowed. In other words the Second Amendment right to bear arms Constitutionally is much more limited than the other enumerated rights.

 

This. The 2nd amendment clearly limits the right to bear arms from the perspective of an 18th century individual.

 

What we should do is have a nation wide registry of every single firearm attached to every single person. Create limits on the types of guns (sorry AR fans) you can carry, have the government buy back all assault rifle types and just have them tested and used for military purpose. The military could use those guns right?

Now let's make sure that any illegal exchange of firearms is a felony with a really high sentence, depending of course on type of weapon. So selling an AR15 illegally would carry a sentence of 10 years or so. We should specifically target white, conservative males as they are the most likely for these transactions. Also let's limit gun shows and create a ridiculous permit process for anyone to be able to run one. This should limit the illegal exchanges there, but even if some were to happen we should have a police force ready and able to search and question anyone that may have illegal firearms in their possession.

Anyone that has a lot of weapons in their disposal right now would be grandfathered in, but moving forward we have a limit of let's say, 3 guns per household. Anything beyond is another felony charge with assumption of terrorism.

That should do it.

 

When the government comes knocking on the door? People consider this as a realistic threat?

 

Normal, comfortable citizen + AM radio = Crazy citizen frightened of everything

 

When two ton death trap vehicles become a weapon choice, we will have to look at way to limit it. Fortunately, that's not an issue here in the state.

It's not flawed. The argument is not 0 chance of bad guys having automatic weapon. The argument is you make it illegal and that will make it harder for criminal to obtain. If you criteria is 0 chance, we shouldn't have any laws.

I don't like drone dropping bomb on civilian either. That's why that's illegal here in the state.

Gun isn't an unlimited right and society weight limit / restriction for overall security is typical and rational.

When was the last time the government come knocking on your door where you have to use your 50 guns?

 

What I don't get is, for the people that think more guns are the solution & gun control only takes guns away from law abiding citizens....... where do they think all those illegal guns came from? In the vast majority of cases the criminals didn't get them by robbing an army warehouse, robbing a gun manufacturer's warehouse, built their own, import from overseas etc. Illegal firearms are actually considerably more expensive than their legal counterparts and the massive stash of illegal firearm that we have in this country didn't magically come out of nowhere.

 

The issue is that people are talking about doing away with the 2nd amendment and when you start taking away rights like that, you have to expect the other rights to follow closely behind it. The reason I mentioned the first amendment is because most of the time liberals pretend to support the rights that amendment sought to protect, they need to know that the same rationale used to strip the people of rights they don't like will be used to strip them of rights they do like.

You either support essential civil rights or you don't.

 

I honestly don't know anything about this ****. These are just my ignorant thoughts with no real knowledge and I don't read ****

My opinions are basically from the gun control episode of it's always sunny in Philadelphia and the fact that I'm from Texas.

Which is my favorite state cause at least we'll go down swinging and have a little fun doing it. I don't like how conservative the Bible Belt is but I also love know we live in a state where we call ourselves Christians but ready to shoot someone for any legal reason. Me and my dad don't really talk but that man sleeps with his glock on top of his bible in the side table. That's OG ****

But yeah I wouldn't take what I say seriously

 

It's just ignorant ****.

 

More than half the developed world do not provide their citizens with this 'essential right'.

 

The same conservatives, er loons that thought Obama was invading Texas using empty Walmarts...

http://www.newsweek.com/2015/05/22/...artisanship-becomes-extreme-sport-330947.html
http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2...arfare-staging-areas-in-response-to-invasion/

 

I was tempted to make a snide comment in the vaccination thread but didn't want to derail it. I see a lot of parallels between the anti-vacc position and gun ownership. People make a personal decision (based on specious logic regarding personal safety) that in isolation can be (though it isn't always!) pretty harmless. But when you have mass participation in either one, it creates a severe public health hazard. People are ready to accept the argument that we must abrogate the rights of individuals to refuse vaccinations in order to protect public health, but bristle at the same logic being applied to gun ownership.

 

I've been for the pro life my whole life until I read through this thread.