Ah, so one of the "symptoms" of what he was protesting was a false narrative then? Will you at least admit that? Also, he just so happened to start this protest IMMEDIATELY after a police shooting (completely justified, but aren't they all?) in his home town and it had NOTHING to do with it? C'mon man, I gave you his own words and the context in which the protest was started, you gave me spin. I just gave you his own words and the context in which the protest began....it's you that is ignoring reality because the reality of the situation makes Kap and this whole protest look r****ded. What instances of black people being "murdered in the streets" by cops? For the most part all of the large cases end up being justified. Point out the examples of "murder" Inequality in outcome doesn't prove an inequality in the system, at least not a racial inequality. I think we all know there is a natural inequality in the system when it comes to those who can afford a better legal defense and those who don't, but that's not what you are trying to sell. Again, back up your claims with things that actually back up your claims. Right now you are giving me a story about how ice cream sales cause murder rates to rise.....you are giving me correlation without any proof of a causal link and assuming causation.
Even if that one symptom was a false one, it doesn't change the plethora of others that weren't. I gave you his own words as to the reason why he was sitting out of the Anthem, and you ignored it and assigned the reasons you came up with for him as his motive instead.
It would change the entire narrative and without that false narrative, the protest likely never starts to begin with....you know, given that the event that triggered it was a police shooting in his home town that was being portrayed as a "murder" and the simple minded idiot Kap bought into it. Again, his own words show that he bought into the false narrative that has been pushed since the "hands up don't shoot" BS with Micheal Brown.
I'll admit that the only instance that you will actually talk about was a case of justifiable police action. However, the "narrative" that black people face iniquities in the criminal justice system is completely accurate. That's the "narrative" which people are protesting, despite your continued attempts to prop up the straw man you're attempting to use. It was certainly one instance, but is not even remotely the entirety of what people are protesting. No, you tried to focus on a single incident as if that was the entirety of what the protest was about. It never was the only reason, despite the fact that you continue to pretend as if it is. You gave a single instance of a shooting that was justified while ignoring all of the other instances as well as the overarching point that the protests are about. That one instance isn't, and never was, the entirety of the reason for the protests. No, the people like you who deny the reality of the situation are the ones who "look r****ded." https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/us/police-shooting-castile-trial-video.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...shooting-unarmed-black-motorist-idUSKCN1AV28J https://www.thenation.com/article/a...led-by-police-will-justice-be-done-this-time/ The last one includes a statistic that I'm certain you will ignore or try to downplay. Black people are 13% of the population and yet make up 24% of those fatally shot by police. The fact that you and people like you will (and already have, in this thread, in the case of Tamir Rice) try to justify every single instance is a BIG part of the reason for the protests. The evidence proves you wrong. Inequalities in the criminal justice system have been statistically tied to race, this is the very definition of "racial inequality." You're welcome to argue with the dictionary, but Merriam-Webster simply is not a liberally biased source. I never disputed that money is highly related to inequalities in the criminal justice system. However, even when you control for financial inequalities, there are inequalities based on race alone. Just a fact. Bullshit. I never gave any such unrelated stories. Now you're just lying, likely because you don't have anything else. Quite literally volumes have been written on the subject, not that you would actually understand any of it. Sadly, this isn't because you aren't capable of such understanding, it is merely your choice, a refusal to understand. http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/000312240406900201 https://books.google.com/books?hl=e...ge&q=criminal justice race inequality&f=false https://books.google.com/books?hl=e...ge&q=criminal justice race inequality&f=false http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/449253 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12103-016-9344-8
1. Tragic, but not murder 2. Even more tragic, but not murder 3. Not murder, it doesn't even involve a fatality, AND the officer is doing time 4. Sounds like murder....and he's been brought up on murder charges for it. So this is the best you could come up with to justify the narrative that racist cops are hunting down and murdering black men in the streets? You'll have to do better I don't ignore it, but if you consider that that group also commits 52% of the murders in this country, wouldn't you expect them to have a larger percentage of violent encounters with police? A thinking person would probably think so....but then there's those who just want to push narratives.
So when it comes to committing crimes then the person's race is the factor that matters not the wealth discrepancy. But when it comes to sentencing discrepencies, it's wealth that matters and people are wrong to say that part is about race. LOL
I never said that poverty wasn't the reason why black people kill so very many more people than any other group. In fact, it would make sense that would be the main reason. You really don't seem to be following along very well. You are the one that believes that things happen because of race, not me.
In your post you didn't mention that those in poverty commit a higher percentage of murders, you classified it by race.
Did you read what I was responding to? The window licker was bringing up the fact that black people are shot at a slightly high rate compared to their percentage of the population and I was explaining why that is. I could have gone further and explained that the murder rate and overall high crime rate among black people is likely due to economic reasons, but that part wasn't relevant to the conversation at the time. When a group of people who commit 52% of the murders in this country make up 24% of those shot by police, it sort of debunks the r****ded racism allegations by providing proper context. That's all I was doing. The ties between poverty and crime are well known, I wouldn't have thought I had to spell that part out.
The thread in which you brought up wealth differential started out talking about the race of those who received different sentences for committing the same crime. But in that case, you felt the need to switch the topic to wealth and poverty. In this case, you were willing to keep going along with the already posted topic of race. Why in that situation did you feel the need to change the subject from what was posted before and dealt with race, but in this case you were fine to let the topic stay on race when bringing up the murder rate? I'm really curious.
It's not switching, the disproportional numbers in the black community when it comes to crime, sentencing, and violent interaction with the police are all tied to the same thing. That's what I was explaining to you guys who are pushing the racism boogie man rather than looking at what is actually going on. Given that you guys don't see the obvious link between poverty and things like violence and crime, it need to spell it out for you. Most people would have realized in that context what I was saying.
I'm fine that it is all related to the same thing. Actually, I think it's related to the same number of things. The difference is that in one when the topic of the thread and posts before yours was racism and the idea that the system appears to have racism in it, you wanted to discount that and talked about the wealth gap. But when I brought up the idea that you did that in the other thread you pointed out that the thread you were responding to was about race. I just didn't understand why you were so eager to change the subject away from there being racism in the system but were willing to use race it came to the race of convicted criminals. There was a difference in how you treated it. I was just curious as to why.
When someone was using a number out of context to make a racism allegation, I didn't go into the whole background, I just posted some context to show that the narrative he was pushing was r****ded. I could have done it in a different way but it doesn't make the way in which I did it less valid. The main point though is always that those who push the boogie man or racism instead of taking a more intelligent look into the reason things happen the way they do are pretty ridiculous.
As I said, the biggest part of the protests is the result of the fact that people like you would believe that saying things like "tragic, but not murder," when discussing Philando Castille, and "even more tragic, but not murder" when discussing Tamir Rice. Your attitude, which is shared by WAY too many in our country is both the reason there are inequities in our criminal justice system and also the reason that nothing gets done about them even after the situations are replicated time and time again. There's no way for you to know, you refuse to think. You also refuse to read, but if you were to come off your high horse (doubtful), you should try this one. https://books.google.com/books?id=d...ce=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false I won't hold my breath, you haven't show any desire whatsoever to actually look at evidence, all you do is parrot pundits.
When you take two unrelated statistics and mash them together as if they are comparable, you are being dishonest. I know that the only way you can try to make a point is to lie, but are you really happy being such a bold-faced liar all the time?
Even when accounting for wealth, or lack thereof, there are massive racial disparities in the criminal justice system. Just a fact. I showed evidence and you've responded with a dishonest comparison of unrelated statistics along with the equivalent of a toddler's "nuh-uhhhhhh." Try again, rookie, you're still twisting at the end of that rope.
Ah yes, the "attitude" of accuracy. The fact that you are doubling down on those incidents being "murder" just shows that you don't know what you are talking about. Simply not true. I know you really want to believe that, but the facts don't support your narrative kiddo.
