9 million children lose health insurance as GOP Congress lets CHIP expire

dude i'm done, you straight up don't read or listen. i've literally answered (gave imo) every single question you're asking like twice already. waste of time.

 

Dudes...this is literally like throwing the literal baby out of the literal bathwater...FOR REALZ.

 

I read you just fine. You said there's a plan when there's no plan. Here's the thing about those two million kids without insurance right now that were covered by CHIP. I imagine any one of them require medication and treatment daily in order to live.

Got a friend with Common Variable Immune Deficiency (CVID). Requires over 30 pills a day to maintain her livelihood. A few months back her mom didn't contact insurance fast enough on a Rx refill she needed for seizures. If she misses her seizure medication, she'll have a seizure within 24 hours. This seizure can cause her feeding tube to get disjointed out of place, requiring an ER visit, invasive surgery to put it back in place and an even more expensive bill. Her mom didn't get approval from insurance fast enough resulting in her not getting her seizure medication within 24 hours resulting in the situation above. Her mom could have been more vigilant about getting that Rx refilled faster. The fault did lie with her mom on that since her mom insists on handling health insurance billing. But it just highlights the importance of healthcare for those with chronic illness and how even a 24 hour delay can kill someone.

Those 2 million kids lack of health insurance is not going to stop their illnesses from needing treatment. Those uninsured right now that receive home health are now going to be hospitalized inpatient instead most likely with an enormous uninsured medical bill waiting for them after it's duration. The time for a new plan to replace CHIP shoulda been available no later than yesterday. This gross negligence is a big deal. Literally American children's livelihood is at stake.

 

don't listen to me listen to bernie who knows what's up. context is economy but concept is the same.



so in the same spirit, you don't fix it by giving corporations more (or even the same) money which is what a program like CHIP does due to prices and medical billing corrupt practices. fix the prices and we won't even need healthcare bro!?!? i mean seriously if a dr. visit and medicine was priced at cost then a middle-income family would have no problem paying for their child's wellness. the problem is the price and that's why so many no appointment walk-in clinics are opening up at a rapid pace. they see a market and are trying to fill it. and do you know what's happening?!?!... big healthcare is buying them up in droves in a similar way that big oil was buying out patents and tech in the 70s and 80s. honestly walk-in clinics are the only recent thing i've seen making big healthcare scramble and try to sort it out. but it's much more difficult to manipulate the free market than the government. manipulated the government is expensive but easy.

 

This seems to be going way way way over your head.

 

whatever, at the end of the day i'll be proven right unfortunately because no one will stop the money. you guys go ahead and keep arguing about details and who's good guys and who's bad guys. i mean clearly that's worked amazingly since the birth of the two party system and the aggressive lobbying that started in the 70s. good job, keep it up!

 

You'll be proven right that eventually someday they'll come up with a plan? Holy s-hit guys, we got Nostradamus over here. What of the millions of children without health insurance right now?

 

Great diatribe of utterly irrelevant drivel.

Can kids have health insurance now?

 

bro i think you might be r****ded. you should get that checked out and hopefully you have insurance because i'm sure it's expensive as hell.

why don't you and a few others sponsor some of the 9 million and pay the $120 to $200 prices for a wellness visit for these children. i mean clearly the price is completely fair and hilary won the popular vote so plenty of folks to sponsor. start a youcaring or something.

as for what i'll do, i'll keep telling everyone i know (all my friends and family) to visit walk-in clinics, shop for meds, and preventive care & methods to avoid getting sick in the first place. also, advice them to go to emergency room (they don't charge) if they are really sick and when billed to negotiate everything because everything is negotiable. now you may think i'm a "bad" guy for trying to give practical, useful, and helpful advice to people right now than advising them to wait and "hope" the bought government rescues us but that's your pejorative.

 

You should contact all the parents that were receiving help via CHIP and ask them to subscribe to your practical healthcare advice newsletter in the meantime while their kid dies of untreated chronic illness. Maybe make it a once a week healthcare newsletter to their personal e-mails. Anything more than once a week might be considered spam. Don't want to be too helpful.

 

i would certainly hope that CHIP admins, partners, doctors, would contact folks, let them know what's happened, and give them real useful advice. clearly they have the resources and know the 9 million to do such a thing. i'm just a bad person, i only have the resources for my family and friends unfortunately.

 

ipaman is simply pretzeling any form of defense of the trump/republican decisions. Best to ignore him, as he is defensing the indefensible.

 

I'm curious if you think a child with lukemia should skip the insurance and go to a walk-in clinic?

Child has a debilitating headache? Feels like something popped in their brain? Go to a walk-in clinic! Who needs insurance!

 

Victimhood suits you. Here I was thinking I was complaining about all branches of government that are dominated by the GOP and their inability to continue effective healthcare legislation. Instead, you take my grievances towards the GOP on this issue as personal and that I think you're evil because you're not helping those affected by their kid's lack of health insurance coverage.

I don't think you're evil. I just think you post like a moron. You said there's an alternate plan coming and to be patient while at least 2 million kids covered by CHIP that have chronic illness have their livelihood threatened. The other 7 million without insurance can probably get by days or even months without receiving treatment but the one's with chronic illness? They needed an alternate plan to CHIP yesterday. I asked you for specific details about this non-existent CHIP replacement plan and instead you go off on platitudes about the evil of lobbyists, like that's why CHIP was discontinued and that's why there's a delay in a replacement. It isn't.

 

Here's the thing too. As tragic as the shooting in Vegas is and no doubt it's dominating this message board, I don't think it'd be unreasonable to assume at least 50 kids out of the 9 million will be terminally affected by the discontinuation of CHIP or that at least 500 kids will have negative life altering consequences in lieu of CHIP's absence, especially the longer a lack of a CHIP replacement goes on. These kids won't all be confined to a single location where their health deteriorates and is widely reported. Instead their deaths will be scattered across children hospitals with only their loved ones and medical staff closeby to mourn them. Again, the thing is, these kid's deaths are preventable if GOP Congress just continued CHIP, which neither side of the political spectrum has had anything bad to say about for as long as I've been reading the D&D.

 

Remember when the Republicans used to yack about "family values"? lol

Waiting for the Trump to tweet from Mara Lago that these kids "expect everything."

 

you don't facking read... i indicted all of them because all of them are the reason we can't afford healthcare to begin with. what do we do with people like you who don't listen to what people actually say?!?!

my advice would be drastic measure such as going out of country because waiting for your healthcare lobby or government to save your child isn't going to happen. but again you social justice morons are facking clueless as usual. CHIP NEVER covered cancer and cancer treatments. only covered, dr. visits, immunizations, prescriptions, dental&vision wellness care only, inpatient and outpatient hospital care, labwork, xrays, emergency. in those types of cases, you needed additional programs for coverage's. not only that but CHIP was never free!! there is almost always co-pays and monthly premiums. again we're talking about middle-class needing help!!! how the **** is that even logical!! middle-class america shouldn't need "help" and wouldn't need help if medical costs were fair.

if i'm a moron than you must be a vegetable the way you think. you're a hard headed turnip who doesn't listen.

 

productive post but not as productive as the healthcare lobby. good thing for all of us .99 pretzels are not $800 because i love me some pretzels. problem is... high sodium treatments include drinking more free/cheap water and/or $800 IV fluids!!! i should ask my provider if my coverage includes water. if not, good thing open enrollment is coming up.

 

There is no official definition of middle class. PEW define it as 2/3 to double median income. With that definition, in TX, a household of 3 is middle class if their income is ~40k to 121k. In TX, a family of 3 yearly income must be less than 41.5k to qualify for CHIP. This shows that super vast number of middle class do NOT qualify for CHIP. It's not an accurate representation to said CHIP is for middle class. It's for poor families who aren't poor enough to qualify for medicaid.

Depending on family income, CHIP copayment in TX ranges from $5 to $25 for dr visit, $35 to $125 for hospital care, $5 to $75 for ER that were not real emergency. The yearly enrollment fees is $0 to $50. These aren't extraordinary, as they are designed for poor families.

Health care cost is crazy expensive, but not so out of wack for common treatment. The costs that insurance paid to provider for preventative care, standard xray, standard lab tests, dental and even vision are not too unreasonable. The unreasonable costs are for more specialize treatments, surgery, hospital stays and new brand name and rare drugs. In States that opt to expand Medicaid to cover CHIP, the costs to the fed/state is less than those that have their own CHIP plan. And they both cost less than private insurance.

Everyone said medical costs is too much and we need to fight that. One way is to expand, not kill program like CHIP and Medicaid that have much much lower costs than the no-insurance idea that you are suggeting. Individual with no insurance pay $1500, instead of $100 that insurer pay for somewhat extensive lab work. Pay $700, instead of $300 that insurer pay for annual exam. These are just two real examples of costs to the un-insured. Cancer? If you are not insured, sell your car, sell your house and pray.

You stated CHIP never cover cancer. Where did you get that info? Fortunately I know no one under CHIP that has cancer, so don't know first hand, but from what I know, CHIP does cover cancer treatment.

Your other idea - we should starve the health industry so they lower costs. How would you expect this to happen? If you cut of CHIP, that's ~9M. Not large enough. You have to also cut off all Medicaid and ACA subsidies and that might, just might start to make some head room. It's not because medicare providers all of a sudden feel sorry for the poor or go belly up, but the expense the government will have to pick up for increased ER visits, the increased costs to the middle class who can afford private insurance through workplace or themselves (provider will have to increase costs to keep their profit level that is lost due to increased unpaid ER costs) and the number of folks going without healthcare might be so shocking that the US government is so embarrassed that they would finally work on real costs control. But I even doubt that would happen. What might work, in theory, is not only getting rid of all government health plans, but we all should go on medical strikes - we will not obtain any overpriced medical cares until cost for them are reasonable. That will starve the in health insurance.... but that will never happen.