I think it's weird and ironic how similarly people to react to mass shootings are on both sides regarding gun laws and Islam Whenever something happens it's either "not all Muslims" "don't punish the moderate Muslims" or "not all gun owners" "don't punish the good gun owners" I think the rational way to think about this is there's elements of both us gun laws and Islam that needs to be seriously addressed and looked at. Will we ever find an actual solution I truly doubt it. There are a billion muslims out there, all it takes it one to snap and cause immense harm, there are millions of guns out there all it takes is one guy to snap and kill/injure hundreds.
Thoughts and prayers for the families of all the victims. This was yet another senseless tragedy. People crowded together like that were sitting ducks for a gunman in his position with his weapons. Even with that, that is an amazing amount of injuries. I would guess some of the injuries might be from people falling, trampling, etc and not actual bullet wounds.
Well yeah. I mean, if you are going to try and politicize this issue, at least wait till you know what you are talking about so that you don't end up like those idiots who were saying Omar Mateen was a self hating gay man due to the negative view society has on homosexuality. In this case, wait to find out if this was a terrorist act (meaning there was some kind of political or religious motivation) then find out what the specific motivation was before trying to push narratives and before campaigns are started to take away civil rights.
Side note- Mainstream media reports shooter's father was convicted bank robber who escaped prison, was wanted by FBI in 1960s
What's even scarier is that most of the people don't know where the shooting is coming from. They all probably kneeled down only to become sitting ducks at that point.
If you are going to have the gall to do something like this, then at least leave a note or something indicating why you are doing it. That's the least you can do you f**king miserable POS. He just did all this and covered his tracks leaving no reason apparently. No one knows anything except him and he's dead.
I said this in the other thread, but none of this makes any sense. If he wanted to just kill as many people as possible, he had a MUCH more deadly weapons at his disposal, 2 airplanes and he was a pilot. Had he crashed his plane into the middle of the crowd there would have been several times the number of casualties from it.....why would he go through the trouble of getting all of those weapons and ammo up to a hotel room risking being caught when he could have done something more deadly much easier? Why would he even do it to begin with? Is it a coincidence that his "girlfriend" was out of the country at the time? Did he do it because she left him? Did she know he was going to do it? So many questions, no answers.
Very true, many questions and no answers. However, not sure using logic would help figure out why a crazy person does what they do. You have to suspend logic honestly.
So last night on the live reddit thread I was following. Several eyewitnesses said when interviewed that about 45 minutes before gunfire, a woman was in the concert crowd telling people they were going to die. Eventually security escorted her out of the concert area. -edit- she wasn't alone either, she was with a dude. Has anyone cleared that info up? His "girlfriend" was out of the country so it wasn't her than who was it?
Hey Columbo, great suggestions. Really wish the authorities would have asked her those questions before clearing her!
I'm not sure you suspend logic entirely, most people are still logical in their pursuit of illogical or unethical goals.
Don't think it has been cleared up yet, but I'd assume there's a high number of drugged crazies/doomsdayers in Las Vegas, this probably happens at every mass gathering. Not saying this is what happened, but sounds reasonable.
probably but imagine if you're wrong... -edit- apparently the concert was like $200 to get into and this "crazy" person pushed her way front row with her male companion. not likely a street doomsdayer but that doesn't rule out drugged out. that said, not sure a family country concert crowd is your drugged out crowed either. -edit2- video for reference. eyewitnesses are very convinced. i hope they investigate it just to be sure.
How I see this playing out is budweiser will commission a statue of this guy with his middle finger in the air and bud light in hand. This statue will face the the window of the attacker for all time so we never forget '**** that guy'.
It almost certainly would have. If a lorry can kill 86 in a less densely populated area moving at much slower speeds, an airplane would have been absolutely catastrophic hitting a crowd of 22K all packed together in a relatively small area.....and that's not counting the deaths that would have been caused by the stampede effect.
I don't really know the physics. But a lot would depend on the angle it came in at for the crash. It would depend on if it shattered and stopped, what kind of debris shot out of it if it skidded after crashing, and all sorts other details that can't really be determined. It would have been horrible, and could possibly have killed more people. But I don't think there is any way to really know that.
