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The Mess in Puerto Rico. No power on the whole island for 4-6 mos.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Sep 22, 2017.

  1. CometsWin

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    Right, when the President of the United States talks about how they're doing a great job in Puerto Rico while Puerto Ricans haven't received water in NINE DAYS, it's playing politics for the Mayor to represent her people by saying they need help. You're so right.

    Why do all you bozos all of a sudden sound like Trump, even use his childish rhetoric? That is amazing.
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    Failure of local government in PR, must be Trump's fault

    -Fringe left as represented here.
     
  3. tallanvor

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    This mayor is so awful. Do your job.
     
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    What part of her job is she not doing? Petitioning for help would be a very important part of her job.
     
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    Not surprising, you know nothing about leadership. Being weak and helpless does not inspire confidence to those under you. This reminds me of Nagins Katrina disaster. I couldn't imagine Mayor Sylvester Turner or Gov Rick Scott doing this.
     
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    Well the big difference is that even if the mayor was weak, the people of Houston are not, so it wouldn't have been a Katrina situation no matter what. I mean, we all remember the lines of people trying to volunteer when Harvey hit Houston.....and you sure as hell don't see that in PR and you didn't see that in NO. All the supplies in the world can't help if you can't get your own people to help move them to those who need them.
     
  10. CometsWin

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    Slime, just slime.

    Real leadership is talking about the great job you're doing while American citizens go 9 days without water, food, and medicine. Thanks for your leadership Trump, you're doing a great job Brownie.
     
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  11. CometsWin

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    Let's see if there'll be a mass migration now.

    Open the door to mass migration
    https://www.elnuevodia.com/noticias/locales/nota/abiertalapuertaparalamigracionmasiva-2361880/

    Governor Ricardo Rossellóacknowledged Saturday that the crisis that has led to the scourge of Hurricane Mariaon the island may lead thousands of Puerto Ricans to leave the country .

    "It all depends on the level of help and execution we have (with this emergency). I warned that if Congress does not take action with a meaningful package (of help). Then we will see a possible humanitarian crisis, "Rossello said.

    "One of the effects of falling into that predicament is massive migration, no doubt some. What is my commitment and that of my administration? That does not happen, that the resources are here, "he added.

    Between 2009 and 2015, some 222,264 citizens emigrated from the island.

    Rosselló recalled that he has spoken with congressmen who stress that "the people of Puerto Rico should be treated equally."

    At the time, US President Donald Trump granted the waiver requested by the government to exempt him from the payment of 25% of the expenses in damages caused by Hurricane Maria. Ordinarily, the government must cover 25% of the expenses in damages and the Federal Agency for the Management of Emergencies is in charge of the rest.

    The federal government also exempted Puerto Rico, for a limited period, from the Cabotage Laws.

    The governor, after the hurricane, requested flexibility and emphasized that Congress should extend extensive assistance to Puerto Rico for its rehabilitation.

    In fact, Rosselló anticipated that the damages of the hurricane will far surpass those caused by Georges 1998.

    "Georges had an impact of $ 7,000 to $ 10,000 million so he can think of numbers much higher than those," Rosselló had said.

    Establish supply chain of supply

    The supply chain for people affected by the scourge of Hurricane Maria has already been established in order to continuously distribute millions of items that will arrive daily to Puerto Rico, informed the administrator of Region II of the Federal Agency for Emergency Management, (Fema, for its acronym in English), John Rabin.

    "Our supply chain is totally ready and moving. Today we will be receiving more than two million meals and probably 1.5 million liters of water. And these are deliveries that must be produced regularly, "said Fema's manager for Puerto Rico, New York, New Jersey and Virgin Islands during a press conference with Governor Ricardo Rossello at the Government Command Center located in the Center of Conventions.

    From now on, it is expected that the constant supply and distribution of supplies including water, food and basic necessities will be expected. Luis Muñoz Marín International Airport and the former Roosevelt Roads base are crucial to this operation, Rabin said after criticism and complaints - nationally and internationally - came about because of the delay in sending aid.

    In fact, the director of Fema in Puerto Rico and the Caribbean, Alejandro De La Campa reported that some 51 municipalities have already visited one of the eleven distribution centers. The distribution centers are the eleven armories of the National Guard.

    He said the FEMA has received 45,000 requests from people who need help from the federal agency. Fema has disbursed $ 6.9 million in individual aid and $ 25 million in infrastructure.

    Improvement in telecommunications


    On the other hand, Rosselló announced that there is an improvement in the telecommunications and hundreds of thousands already have access to communications thanks to the establishment of satellite antennas in Ponce and Arecibo.

    He added that they hope to establish similar antennas next week in places like Fajardo, Humacao and Cidra.

    Rossello said that thanks to a joint effort of agencies and private companies, 163 antennas had been built. Yesterday there were only 96.

    The governor also emphasized that already 100% of the terrestrial telephony lines were working. However, only 33% of the telephone network serves.

    "There is no crisis or emergency in terms of the handling of corpses"

    Regarding the situation of the hospitals on the island, Rosselló stressed that there are already 51 hospitals in operation (53 if you take into account that they are two hospitals in one) of the 69 that the country has.

    Of those hospitals in operation, nine already have electric service.

    Rosselló said they have staff from the Department of Health to all the hospitals on duty, checking that the infrastructure is safe and sending information on how the hospital is operating.

    He added that FEMA is in charge of ensuring the distribution of diesel to the hospitals operating so that their operations are not interrupted.

    The governor added that they had also been able to increase the number of dialysis centers operating from 34 to 36.

    He also noted that four refrigerated forensic facilities have been installed to handle the bodies around Puerto Rico, although he said that local and federal authorities have established that "there is no crisis or emergency in terms of corpse management."

    Decrease number of refugees

    The governor also reported that the number of refugees declined to about 10,201. A week ago, the number of refugees reached more than 50,000.

    According to the governor, the shelters have been consolidated in 150, of the 500 that were.

    In addition, there are about 234 refugee pets at the moment.

    Likewise, it announced that for today 35 commercial flights were expected in the international airport Luis Muñoz Marín, four more than there were Friday. He anticipated that they would reach 60 daily flights by next week.

    National security continues to add reinforcements

    Rosselló said today that security on the island is being reinforced with the arrival of military, national guards and police from New York and New Jersey.

    He also reported that some 210 soldiers of the National Guard of Puerto Rico will be prominent in assisting the Puerto Rico Police. He added that they expected to have another 300 national guards for the weekend.

    According to the governor, 879 National Guard troops from various states, such as Alabama, Kentucky and others, are already in Puerto Rico.

    Firefighters from New York have also arrived to assist with restoration efforts.


    Drinking water and light arrive


    On water, he said the service is improving thanks to a collaboration between federal agencies and the Aqueduct and Sewer Authority (AAA), which works to continue restoring service to areas they do not yet have.

    FEMA is in charge of bringing the diesel to the distribution plants. Other components of the Department of Defense are in charge of logistics and maintenance of AAA facilities.

    On the other hand, the governor detailed progress in the restoration of electric service. He said that on Friday they had managed to energize, Doctor's Hospital, the public residential Luis Llorens Torres, the headquarters of the People's Bank in Hato Rey, the Convention Center, the port terminal of Crowley, Walmart, the Center of Minillas, of AAA in Bayamón, the Costco of Filters, and Pediatric Hospital San Jorge.
     
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    Well, your fantastic assessment of lack of knowledge of leadership aside... You still haven't answered the question about what part of her job she hasn't done.

    Neither Turner nor Scott had to do that since they did have enough supplies to keep their populations fed. According to General Buchanan appointed by the Trump administration, Puerto Rico did not. So the mayor asking for help and keeping the plight of her folks in the forefront to better keep the aid coming in seems appropriate. But perhaps you can give a leadership lesson on why it's a bad idea to publicize the need for help in an effort to get that help for people who live where she does.
     
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    Except for the lines of Puerto Ricans who have volunteered, set up feeding kitchens, distributed supplies, transported people to shelters and the likes. Except for all the Puerto Ricans doing that, there hasn't been any ongoing volunteering.
     
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    That's a bit disingenuous, and I think deep down you know this. It's a lot easier to get volunteers when the large, large majority of those volunteers (like me) were not affected at all by the hurricane. When you literally have everyone affected, a bit hard to volunteer to help others and take care of your own situation at the same time.

    Plus, if you are saying that there are not volunteers out there helping, I would have to repeat the phrase, "Pics or it didn't happen."
     
  15. dandorotik

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    I mean, if a large majority of individuals have suffered damage, and everyone is without power, much tougher to volunteer to help others when you're having to deal with your own situation as well. It was easy for me and the north part of the Woodlands to volunteer- we had 100s- because none of us were affected at all by Harvey. In the Spring area where my sister lives, not as easy to volunteer to help others when you're having to take care of your own house.
     
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    I'm not saying that there are no volunteers, I'm saying that there aren't enough of them or that the local leadership is too incompetent to use them properly to get the aid off the ships and to the people who need it. From what I've heard, there's not so much a shortage of relief supplies, it's that they are struggling to get them to those who need them, that's more of an issue with local organization than anything else.

    If the situation is that the supplies are effectively there, just not getting unloaded and sent to those in need, and the local government is looking at the federal government to do that for them as well, I think it would be fair to suggest that they just want people to do everything for them.
     
  17. Space Ghost

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    This is not about her public request for help. Its about how she is doing it. Its pathetic.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/30/us/puerto-rico-hurricane-recovery/index.html

    She is sounding more and more like the convicted criminal Ray Nagin. Most of the stories seem to contradict the narrative that is now being pushed. You are only siding with her because of her backlash against Trump even though she is wrong.

    If I recall correctly, weren't you one of those who strongly supported ex-mayor Ray Nagin during his hateful tirade during Katrina over Bush? Do you remember why Nagin was sentence to 10 years in jail?
     
  18. dandorotik

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    Maybe it's a Billy McGee situation.
     
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    Billy McGee is the sheriff of Forrest County, Mississippi, (county seat is Hattiesburg). He gained widespread notoriety for working against the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. He is considered to be a Robin Hood figure by the majority of the citizens of Forrest County.[citation needed] He is held as one of the greatest of Mississippi's public servants for his actions after Hurricane Katrina.

    In the afternoon of September 4, 2005, Sheriff McGee sent three deputies to the FEMA Distribution Center co-located at Camp Shelby. They asked the coordinator why the trucks weren't moving out and the coordinator told them that the trucks were headed for the Mississippi Gulf Coast and that the eleven ice drop-off points in Forrest County had not been set up yet. The deputies immediately commandeered two semi-trucks and their drivers and started to move out. U.S. Army Captain Michael Bryant climbed on the step of one of the trucks and tried to talk to the driver. The deputies removed him from the truck and handcuffed him. The deputies then carried Bryant to the county jail and arrested him for disorderly conduct and interference with a police officer. He was returned to Camp Shelby within the hour. CPT Bryant claimed he sustained injuries to his hands, arms, face, and shoulder. He also claimed he sustained nerve damage to his hands from the handcuffs being too tight. The trucks were taken to two communities that had been without a working water system since the storm hit almost a week earlier.

    Sheriff Billy McGee is being charged with interfering with, intimidating and impeding a federal officer. The three deputies involved are all facing federal felony charges.

    He was scheduled to plead guilty to a federal misdemeanor charge in a plea agreement with U.S. Attorney Dunn Lampton, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Mississippi. Mr. Lampton, however, has recused himself and the case has been transferred to the U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of Louisiana in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

    As of April 2006, Forrest County law enforcement officers are not allowed onto Camp Shelby property.

    McGee was re-elected sheriff of Forrest County on November 6, 2007 by almost 90% of the voters in Forrest County.
     
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    I was critical of Bush, but I wasn't especially supportive of Nagin. Why are you bringing that up?

    As to your article about the mayor, it sounds like you don't have any examples of her not doing her job, but you just don't like the style in which she is doing it. You can not approve of her style if you feel like it. That's fair.
     

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